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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    I think that Americans probably were assertive even before we were a superpower. We're not a particularly self-effacing group of people, and I don't think we ever were.
    It didn't cross my mind that you were self effacing. But I wonder whether you see such assertion by the powerful in the face of the powerless as ugly.

    Americans are powerful but they also want to be loved. Indeed you present your most beautiful people to us on the movie screens so that you will be loved.

    So you present a beautiful face to us but your behaviour is ugly.

    It makes you difficult to love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    It didn't cross my mind that you were self effacing. But I wonder whether you see such assertion by the powerful in the face of the powerless as ugly.

    Americans are powerful but they also want to be loved. Indeed you present your most beautiful people to us on the movie screens so that you will be loved.

    So you present a beautiful face to us but your behaviour is ugly.

    It makes you difficult to love.
    Do not all people have their complexities?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    It didn't cross my mind that you were self effacing. But I wonder whether you see such assertion by the powerful in the face of the powerless as ugly.

    Americans are powerful but they also want to be loved. Indeed you present your most beautiful people to us on the movie screens so that you will be loved.

    So you present a beautiful face to us but your behaviour is ugly.

    It makes you difficult to love.
    We show you beautiful people because we have a sick fixation with perfection, not because we want to be loved. Most of our movies aren't made for you, they're made for us, we usually don't care what you think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by une_autre View Post
    I for one wouldn't set foot there!
    Out of curiosity, why not? Only 4 US States have a population density equal to the UK, the average is nearly 8 times less people per km, or mile. There's some incredible natural sights to see. (okay, more like a ton of them) Although it's not quite the same language, there's no trouble in communicating for the most part, you can be here in less than 12 hours, and we've got some nice cities and pretty much whatever else you can think of. Why exactly wouldn't you visit here, at least once?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Calling the US health care system the "poorest health care of all developed countries" is not accurate. Exclusive would be a better description. If you have the money, you can get the best care on the planet.
    Agreed. My health care, for example, makes socialized medicine look like s***. This is also why there is so much reluctance to change. While poorer groups have trouble having guaranteed access to the level of care found in Europe, the middle-class and up, have healthcare far above and beyond the level found in Europe as well. (Just a personal opinion, and not planning for the thread to go in that direction.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    The truth is that you do not have a social democratic party. Rather you have two parties of business and call that freedom. But in fact you have no freedom to choose.

    The business of America is business.

    This is of course your business. But fortunately we have a party of business as well as a social democratic party. And guess what - we call that freedom.
    You could say that. On the other hand, you could say, that what we really care about, is business. Therefore, the parties represent the views that we want. That's why the social issues get pushed aside, not amplified, every time anything important economically happens.....we care much more about the economy, and business, than the social issues, overall.

    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    I've just learnt that the budget of the Pentagon is roughly the same size as the whole of Australia's Gross National Product (GNP).

    This is an extraordinary discrpancy and must colour our relations to an extraordinary degree.

    I have always wondered why Americans are so assertive. At first I thought is was because your self esteem was fed at school. But it is obvious you are assertive because you have overwhelming economic power, backed by overwhelming military power, backed by huge territories and backed by the huge propaganda system of Hollywood.

    In fact you are assertive because you have overwhelming power.

    And it can't have escaped your attention that the assertion of overwhelming power in the face of the relatively powerless, is ugly
    Other than your mischaracterization of Hollywood, you're correct. Hollywood is not propaganda of the intentional kind. They produce whatever we want. Americans like to see "perfection" in their actors and actresses, so the majority of people you see in US films that go overseas, look a certain way. The same goes for plot themes, it's not propaganda, it's what sells in the US, which is why it's made.

    Anyway, we're assertive because we're big and powerful, but also for a much more important reason. We're greedy assholes, that like to fight to get what we want, and have a knack for good marksmanship. To put things in perspective:

    1787 - Colonies don't like taxes, win independence from Britain.
    Early 1800s - North African pirates are menacing US shipping, every other nation in the world was just paying them off. US decides it doesn't like paying, sends it's tiny navy and marines to fight, they win.
    War of 1812 - The US has a pathetic army, but wants Canada, so it starts a war with Britain. Result: Half-victory. It wins in the end, but doesn't get Canada.
    1800s - US wants land that the indians own. Solution? Kill, lie, break treaties with, forcibly evict, and murder, any indians in the way, and even some that aren't.
    1800s - US wants Mexico. Starts war with Mexico. Destroys Mexican army, marches into Mexico City, forcibly annexes half of Mexico, which becomes California, New Mexico, Arizona, and Texas.
    1890s - US doesn't like Spain. US uses a bunch of half-baked reasons and takes all of Spain's territories away, invading Puerto Rico, Cuba, and the Phillipines and keeps them. US wants to build a canal through the Isthmus of Panama, sails battleships there, declares Panama a soverign nation, and forces it to give the US the Canal Zone. Annexes Hawaii by forcing the Queen to resign or be killed.
    Early 1900s - US "protects" interests, by invading Carribean and Central American nations whenever they aren't acting in the US's favor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Calling the US health care system the "poorest health care of all developed countries" is not accurate. Exclusive would be a better description. If you have the money, you can get the best care on the planet.
    Well, that's certainly true, but seeing how a vast majority of all citizens is left out of health care altogether I think I can say that, as nationwide system of importance, it has failed. You can say it is socialism if everybody just gets health care, but I consider it to be a basic need of people which should, at least to some level, be provided for.

    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    Teach that to the Europeans!

    Ha, no, just kidding. Most Europeans are fine with Americans, but things got quite hostile during the Bush administration. Basically, people would ask you what you thought about Bush, and you did not dare say you liked him, or you were dumped into the big garbage dump never to be resurrected from that place again. Luckily for me, I did not really appreciate most of his foreign policy, so I was safe.

    But I just hate it when people - even in jest - come to me and say, "WOW you can be proud to be an American again." It's like ? Either I was proud the whole time, and that is not dependent on any one joker in office, or I was not proud, in which case any one joker is not going to change that. Dumb asses.

    I prefer people who are relatively consistent.
    You are probably going to call bullshit on this, but this is how I think most Europeans see it.

    Bush, a warmonger, he had an aggressive foreign policy, with a lacking insight in other countries around the world. A failing war in Afghanistan and the completely made up bullshit about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and a deterioration of the diplomatic exchanges with Russia over the placement of a rocket-shield in eastern Europe are examples of this. As for most European countries, we prefer to talk. Take things slow and don't make rash decisions. This off course has downsides as well, For this thread I'm just saying that it's the basis off the extreme Americafobia under the Bush administration.

    Obama on the other hand has said and shown that he's way more diplomatic then Bush. He cares to see other countries' point of view. As an example, he stopped the building of the rocket shield, in favour of a moveable one (on warships), that can be put in place at any time. Everybody in the world now has the idea that if they have a problem with the U.S. they can actually go and talk to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by millerm277 View Post
    Anyway, we're assertive because we're big and powerful, but also for a much more important reason. We're greedy assholes, that like to fight to get what we want, and have a knack for good marksmanship.
    Exactly. You don't automatically become warlike if you are powerful -- but you can gain power if you're warlike, because you're more inclined to want it. America wasn't always powerful. We didn't defeat the British through a show of strength, the British let us go because we were far more trouble than we were worth.

    The sense of your power always has a lag with what you actually have -- it wasn't too long ago that we were still telling our schoolchildren to duck and cover.
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    20,000 people out of how many billion?

    Seems a little small as a sample... also a little vague about who comes from where. I mean if it's an American publication about world opinion then chances are they got an even division between west coast, central, east coast and south.... states.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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