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    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Talionis View Post
    This is pure liberal politics in action, seeking to further deify the untouchable Obama.
    On the flipside, this gives them a chance for them to villify the assumed Anti-christ Obama.

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    I am absolutely dumbfounded as to how people think he does not deserve an award for his efforts toward global peace.

    Does winning the Nobel prize mean you've stopped all war? Defeated famine and poverty? Destroyed evil?

    NO. That is not the fucking point of the prize. It's to recognize people and their causes toward the ideal of peace. The rest of the world's problems will continue on, but the winners are at least recognized for their outstanding efforts.

    The saddest part about the constant criticisms about Obama being a celebrity is that it convinces anyone who can't think for themselves that he's instantly a bad leader and/or person. Just as others have pointed out, he could say the most harmless comment and people will twist it into evidence that he's Hitler/Mao/Satan, and people will believe it because they don't like the idea that a leader can be both smart and personable, yet make choices they don't agree with. This behavior stagnates politics with issues that really shouldn't exist when the US needs to focus its efforts toward political and economic improvement.

    Being the political leader of one of the primary economic forces in the nation, one which particularly loves to celebrate and glamorize the rich and famous, necessarily means that he will be watched, and necessarily means he will have to make many decisions that weigh heavy on the nation. Bush was obviously a victim of this, but his critics didn't complain that he was a celebrity; they complained that he was an idiot (which is something a political leader of one of the primary economic forces really shouldn't be).

    Before he even knowingly took on the responsibility of leading the country where the public is freely encouraged to criticize its leader, he openly supported causes that promote peaceful methods and encouraged solutions to end the war. This does not mean that he could realistically end the war immediately without dramatic consequences, and I'm sure he knew that. People jump on the fact that he didn't yet end the war and I'm sure he knew they would. People jump on the fact that he hasn't completed all his proposed goals (even though, just like the critics of this issue say, he's hardly been in office yet) and I'm sure he knew they would. People would jump on the fact that people like me defend his actions and call me a silly, fanatical, blind Obama-worshipper, and quite honestly they can go to hell because they really aren't thinking for themselves; they're rehearsing chants of blind hatred.

    For the first time in what I assume to be quite a long while, a good deal of the globe celebrated the election of an American president. He hasn't gotten to where he is by throwing angry criticisms on radio or television, by suppressing the public's awareness a la Kim Jong Il, nor by threatening others with weapons and war. It would have been much easier to do so, because those routes don't take ingenuity, class, and determination to lead peaceful efforts.

    He got to where he is by representing the type of person we need more of if we want to see actual peace. One who is strong of mind, willing to listen and compromise, works hard to achieve goals in the interests of the common good, collected and composed under duress, and friendly to those who reciprocate. If anyone thinks that he did not work hard enough to earn that prize, I offer them the option of becoming President themselves without the help of an incredibly rich family, maintain their sense of balance and integrity as each daily wave of opposition from hostile countries, including your own, and still somehow be able to smile in the public while intelligibly promoting global peace. THEN do something they think actually makes one deserving of the Nobel Peace Prize.

    It's a very fair offer, as Obama proved it to be possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvyak View Post
    Exactly. The Nobel Committee is a bunch of evil liberals sent by devil to deify Obama, the anti-christ, their decision is a mere political trick to seize control of the United States. It was influenced by:

    • freemasons
    • judeo-bolshewism
    • the Al-Kaida
    • Jörmungandr the sea-serpent
    • Kang and Kodos

    VIGILANCE people!
    Sarcasm does not make your stance correct, nor does it mitigate what I have asserted.

    Liberal politics have taken this country to the ground. This is undeniable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Talionis View Post
    Liberal politics have taken this country to the ground. This is undeniable.
    I'd really like to hear why it's undeniable, in a new thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangol View Post
    I am absolutely dumbfounded as to how people think he does not deserve an award for his efforts toward global peace.
    Are you now? What has he done to deserve the Nobel Peace Prize?

    Let me tell you what he's done:

    • Brought the largest deficit in history upon us
    • Expanded troops in the Middle East
    • Overtly supports a Marxist system of government
    • Has been tied to the Weather Underground
    • Had an avowed Marxist as his "green jobs czar"
    • Reneged on just about every promise he made during the campaign
    • Managed to convince the masses of sheep that he would miraculously procure "change" and give "hope" (nobody really knew what this meant, but at least it made us feel warm and fuzzy inside, right?) In this, at least, he succeeded splendidly, but it's not worthy of the Nobel prize


    Does winning the Nobel prize mean you've stopped all war? Defeated famine and poverty? Destroyed evil?
    No. It means that you've done something to deserve the prize.

    NO. That is not the fucking point of the prize. It's to recognize people and their causes toward the ideal of peace. The rest of the world's problems will continue on, but the winners are at least recognized for their outstanding efforts.
    Obama has no interest in peace. He is just another puppet president, exactly like Bush was, except far more dangerous.

    The saddest part about the constant criticisms about Obama being a celebrity is that it convinces anyone who can't think for themselves that he's instantly a bad leader and/or person.
    You voted for him because you bought into the propaganda, and now whine when he is justly called out on his failures.

    Just as others have pointed out, he could say the most harmless comment and people will twist it into evidence that he's Hitler/Mao/Satan,
    Hitler managed to take Germany from one of the worst depressions in history and restored its economy to that of a superpower - in just three years.

    As for Mao and Satan, that could be argued, although I don't believe in Satan.

    and people will believe it because they don't like the idea that a leader can be both smart and personable, yet make choices they don't agree with.
    What a preposterous assertion. Do you honestly believe this? Have you even thought about what you pressed into the keyboard?

    People want a leader who can improve their lot. You're making irrational conjectures here.

    Being the political leader of one of the primary economic forces in the nation, one which particularly loves to celebrate and glamorize the rich and famous, necessarily means that he will be watched, and necessarily means he will have to make many decisions that weigh heavy on the nation.
    Obama is "watched" because:

    1) The media loves him.

    and

    2) He's the president of the United States.

    Before he even knowingly took on the responsibility of leading the country where the public is freely encouraged to criticize its leader, he openly supported causes that promote peaceful methods and encouraged solutions to end the war.
    Let's assume for a second that these ludicrous claims were actually true, and that Obama had "openly supported causes that promote peaceful methods" - it would still be completely irrelevant. Obama is judged by what he does now in the present, while he holds what some would argue is the most important office in the world. Completely corrupt, but important nonetheless.

    This does not mean that he could realistically end the war immediately without dramatic consequences, and I'm sure he knew that.
    You don't seem to be understanding.

    1) He has made no initiative to end the war, and has only showed signs of aggravating it.

    2) The war was a dreadful mistake that lost America respect worldwide, helped set the precedent for our current economic "downturn," and has inflamed a region of the world that was finally showing signs of repose since the fall of the Soviet Union.

    People would jump on the fact that he didn't yet end the war and I'm sure he knew they would.
    Oh, you're sure! Well this changes everything! I'm sure that you and Obama's correspondents are working out the kinks as I type.

    People would jump on the fact that people like me defend his actions and call me a silly, fanatical, blind Obama-worshipper, and quite honestly they can go to hell because they really aren't thinking for themselves; they're rehearsing chants of blind hatred.
    Hahaha. This is by far one of the most presumptuous and arrogant comments I have ever read; it's seeped entirely in ignorance.

    Let's see who is more deluded; you who is scrambling furiously to defend the honor of some fraud in office, or the rest of us poor souls who have the gall to criticize the almighty?

    For the first time in what I assume to be quite a long while, a good deal of the globe celebrated the election of an American president.
    He was supported for two reasons:

    1) He was deified by the media

    2) The average sheep has absolutely no understanding of the world around them (especially politics) and voted purely out of some euphoric dementia.

    He hasn't gotten to where he is by throwing angry criticisms on radio or television, by suppressing the public's awareness a la Kim Jong Il, nor by threatening others with weapons and war. It would have been much easier to do so, because those routes don't take ingenuity, class, and determination to lead peaceful efforts.
    You're absolutely correct. He's gotten to where he is now because the real powers that be decided that they needed a new face to represent the globalist agenda. They found it in a charismatic young senator from Illinois who was the product of a 'heartening' copulation between a White hippy mother and a black Kenyan father.

    Just look at his endorsement by the New Party (a Marxist group that sought to spread the influence of leftist socialism and supported candidates who they felt could do the job) during his 1996 senatorial run:

    Obama and the New Party - HUMAN EVENTS

    Only Obama can blow little else than hot air when addressing an audience while the masses gaze and cheer in fervent stupor. Well, Stalin was able to do it as well, although the Russians under Stalin knew what they were in for.

    He got to where he is by representing the type of person we need more of if we want to see actual peace. One who is strong of mind, willing to listen and compromise, works hard to achieve goals in the interests of the common good, collected and composed under duress, and friendly to those who reciprocate. If anyone thinks that he did not work hard enough to earn that prize, I offer them the option of becoming President themselves without the help of an incredibly rich family, maintain their sense of balance and integrity as each daily wave of opposition from hostile countries, including your own, and still somehow be able to smile in the public while intelligibly promoting global peace. THEN do something they think actually makes one deserving of the Nobel Peace Prize.

    It's a very fair offer, as Obama proved it to be possible.
    Obama had no support in his life?

    He was a mediocre no-name senator without any significant achievements who was somehow able to become president of the United States in less than a year. Do you truly believe that Obama accomplished this all on his own? He was financed by the largest banks in the world since day one! He was supported by the mass media, who were there for every moment to capture his "rise to glory" and erase his more undesirable characteristics (e.g. association with an anti-American, black supremacist church.)

    Here's one link showing his ties with the banking and financial elite:

    Obama connections with international banking elite

    Typical Obamaphile...
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    Before I respond to this, I really have to make sure: are you going to bother listening or just going to dismiss me as a "Typical Obamaphile"? I don't mean agree with me. Either way, I'm going to wait 'til later to respond, as it's late and I'm tired. Wouldn't want to make you think I'm not thinking as I type onto this keyboard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangol View Post
    I'd really like to hear why it's undeniable, in a new thread.
    Why is it undeniable? Gee, I don't know. Could it be the fact that we have entered a new age of "democracy" where the powers that be use the mass media to push liberal agendas such as globalism and leftist socialism? Both of these are completely lethal for a nation's prosperity.

    Could it be that the liberal media managed to hypnotize a mass of sheep into voting an artificial demagogue into office?

    Could it be that the democrats are the majority in the senate, pushing a bill that will forever end national growth in this nation (i.e. government controlled health care with no clear purpose)?

    Could it be that trillions of dollars were uselessly poured into the economy, which has forever sunk us into debt? We were already horribly in debt, as that is what the Federal Reserve produces by nature, but this is of an unprecedented magnitude.

    Now tell me, what has Bush done (despite the fact that he was a complete moron himself) that has come anywhere close to this?

    Don't get me wrong, as I am not attempting to support the pseudo-Conservatives who are equally guilty as the liberals. They are merely two sides of each other. True politics died in this country after 1913.

    Nevertheless, it is the easy to swallow liberal nonsense that the average idiot can readily absorb. It's a cheap world philosophy for the masses, and is therefore great for manipulation.

    I have no intention of arguing with you about this, as it would serve me no purpose. You're most likely just another deluded clown attempting to convince everyone that your "poor, misunderstood" leader is an actual blessing. I would laugh if it weren't so pathetic. My only goal was to refute your drivel about Obama.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kangol View Post
    Before I respond to this, I really have to make sure: are you going to bother listening or just going to dismiss me as a "Typical Obamaphile"? I don't mean agree with me. Either way, I'm going to wait 'til later to respond, as it's late and I'm tired. Wouldn't want to make you think I'm not thinking as I type onto this keyboard.
    If it's just going to be more tired regurgitation of how "misunderstood" and "noble" Obama is after you strip away all the negative aspects, I would prefer that you spare me the trouble.

    In fact, just spare me the trouble...
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    Liberals are spending like maniacs and its driving my state of California to into the shit filled dirt, and its driving this country's currency into extinction. Wake up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvyak View Post
    but I also know that this prize [...] has not just been used to honor specific achievement; it's also been used as a means to give momentum to a set of causes."
    I haven't been following world news at all lately so I'm pretty ill-informed on all this. It seems to me that Obama's achilles heel is that he is portrayed as a popularist president who says whatever he needs to say to win over the majority of Americans, and has been so successful at it because Bush was so hated. In accepting this award with the quoted qualification he is showing that even among the international intellectual elite his policies and ambitions are endorsed. That looks pretty smart to me. Ideally I think he should probably have refused the award once it was widely known that he was offered it. But I'm not sure those awards work like that. Aren't they fairly hush-hush until the person receiving them agrees to accept them? I ask because I don't know.

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    The Norwegian Nobel Committee must be extremely corrupt and the whole Nobel awarding blackened and lost its grace!!! I really liked Obama but even I was appalled. I think it would have been better if he denied it.

    This has enraged many many people all over the world.. I think he can kiss the health care reform goodbye now..

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