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    Quote Originally Posted by kathara View Post
    Like what? We still hate the US. Other than that, you are a bit of the laughing stock in my slightly racialist country , but nothing else.
    I'm pretty sure promoting efforts of global peace doesn't mean the world will instantly love the US.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I was questioning your use of the word "effort". He was given the award because of his potential, not his effort.


    Scientists sometimes receive awards decades after their breakthroughs. Albert Einstein won the 1921 Nobel prize for physics for a paper he wrote in 1905.

    Just don't claim Obama earned this prize. He hasn't. He won because some people think he'll eventually earn it. What annoys me about this is that it's the same as giving the Yankees the World Series Championship trophy before the season even starts. Bullshit. Play the games first. What if Obama turns out to be another Ryan Leaf?
    I see what you mean, and I do think it will be very problematic for his image if he becomes obviously anti-peace. Still, I'm going to have to go with what the Nobel prize states on its site, that he was awarded the peace prize "for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples." This of course does beg the question, "what efforts?", and I include the effort to become the US President to implement his goals, and state them publicly while engaging in foreign politics, as part of the reason for validating his award. I suppose this then becomes a question of how much he really has done toward the promotion of peace, to which I then wonder, is it not enough to become pretty much the biggest face in the world at the time, represent one of the most powerful and watched countries in the world, state that he supports global negotiations and peaceful solutions, especially after a long period where America was seen as a fearful country led by a warmonger, and be put on the spot for it? If the answer is no, I can't really agree without further reason why not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    I think it's because people would like to think that there are others more deserving of the NPP, people who have shown visible progress rather than just a 'peace advocate'. If there really, honestly isn't anyone more deserving in the world today, well, that's just sad...
    Many of the past peace laureates were "just" peace advocates. I'm actually pretty sure that's the big reason people win the Nobel PEACE prize and not the prize for Physics, Chemistry, Medicine, and Literature. On a related note, this simplification of "just peace advocacy" reflects the very attitude the prize is trying to combat by recognizing those who promote it at a remarkable level.

    Quote Originally Posted by r.a View Post
    considering last year it went to Al Gore, its been proven that an Oscar carries more weight than a Nobel prize these days. shit, a Cable Ace award is more legit at this point.

    at least the guy who invented dynamite actually DID something.
    Quote Originally Posted by reason View Post
    I think dynamite has probably saved more lives than it has destroyed.

    The benefit of dynamite is dispersed, hard to measure, and invisible to the media.
    I know there's a lot of controversy about the legitimacy of Gore's campaign on global warming, but I don't see how that refutes the fact that he was a primary spokesperson for awareness of human effects on the climate and environment. The whole green movement is evidence of that. I still don't see how people can dismiss the importance of studying more about the environment and preventing potentially devastating climate changes. Raising awareness to the levels he's done, even if his own conclusions were flawed, is a good thing for the scientific community, which in turn promotes better political decisions regarding environments.

    Dynamite did save lives, as it allowed for much more effective and progressive manipulation of terrain, amongst its other applications. I didn't mean to say that dynamite isn't a tool of peace. Rather, I mean to say that people can and have caused much controversy over the distribution of Nobel Prizes because they did not agree with its validity. I'm pretty sure Nobel knew the destructive capabilities of his invention. His advocacy of peace then, I interpret, isn't focused on the concrete inventions and establishments laureates have created, but its intended application and example of progress toward the ideals the prizes stand for.

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    Once awarded, he had no other choice than to accept it. To say he wasn't worthy and that it should go to someone else and not accept it would have been extremely arrogant and rude. Think Izzy from Grey's Anatomy saying that she should not be nominated for an Emmy because the writing wasn't that good for her character that year. :o Regardless of whether they should have awarded Obama the prize, once awarded he had to accept it.
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    This award is ridiculous in the first place. It's been awarded to Henry Kissinger and Yasser Arafat, for Christ's sake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    This award is ridiculous in the first place. It's been awarded to Henry Kissinger and Yasser Arafat, for Christ's sake.
    Stalin...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    Stalin...
    When did Stalin receive the Nobel peace prize?
    Go to sleep, iguana.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    When did Stalin receive the Nobel peace prize?

    I believe he was nominated, but he did not win. Hitler was also put forth as a nominee by a Swedish parliament member in early 1939(!)
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    Lex: You don't have any viable arguments, there is nothing to discuss. Even if your points were valid, I still wouldn't care because you are one of the lamest specimen of INTJs this forum has ever seen

    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Talionis View Post
    You come off like an INFP or ENTP.
    Boo. hoo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    I believe(Stalin)he was nominated, but he did not win. Hitler was also put forth as a nominee by a Swedish parliament member in early 1939(!)
    Can you say foreshadow?

    Do Americans truly believe that the worst could never happen to them?... Sorry, I'm just curious!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prototype View Post
    Can you say foreshadow?

    Do Americans truly believe that the worst could never happen to them?... Sorry, I'm just curious!
    No one believes the worst will ever happen. Except the people to whom the worst is happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaybeLogic View Post
    No one believes the worst will ever happen. Except the people to whom the worst is happening.
    Bullshit, that's denial!
    ... They say that knowledge is free, and to truly acquire wisdom always comes with a price... Well then,... That will be $10, please!

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