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  • Labour

    3 20.00%
  • Conservatives

    3 20.00%
  • Liberal Democrats

    3 20.00%
  • UKIP

    0 0%
  • Greens

    1 6.67%
  • BNP

    1 6.67%
  • Respect

    0 0%
  • A party not listed

    2 13.33%
  • Not voting

    1 6.67%
  • No preference yet

    1 6.67%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangirl View Post
    I'm not sure if I can vote if I haven't lived in the country for 3+ years. Can I do a postal vote?

    Anyway. I don't like any of my choices. Hate Labour (I have voted Labour in the past tho). Hate the Conservatives, especially Cameron. I'd vote for an old-school Tory who wasn't going to go around all faux-ashamed of his toff past, I think. The Greens would never get my vote. I have no idea who to vote for, is my conclusion. If I do, I'll probably go Conservative with some hard swallowing. And then my boyfriend will kill me while I sleep.
    Why wouldn't the greens get your vote? I think it's the single most important issue facing humanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ed111 View Post
    Why wouldn't the greens get your vote? I think it's the single most important issue facing humanity.
    Why would someone who implies personal support for libertarian and/or anti-socialist principles support a party that advocates massive amounts of government regulation (and the power to go along with it)? Besides, forcing industries into relocating to foreign countries with much higher levels of pollution per productive output seems more than a little counter-productive to me....

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    Interesting poll options. Single-seat "Respect" are included (and the BNP who don't even have that) but none of the national independence parties are?

    This is why I vote SNP. (when I can!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemonday View Post
    Interesting poll options. Single-seat "Respect" are included (and the BNP who don't even have that) but none of the national independence parties are?

    This is why I vote SNP. (when I can!)
    Well I've never had the option of voting SNP and like most UK citizens probably never will have, so it's hardly surprising it didn't leap into my head. I forgot about the English Democrats too, whose main goals I support, though they seem too right wing for me.

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    SNP. The party that wants to bring seventies-style Scandinavian socialism to Scotland... 30 years too late.

    The party whose manifesto proclaims: Independence in Europe! (translation: we'll take orders from Brussels, but not London).

    The only people that consider the SNP serious contenders haven't lived there for decades and have a peculiar romantic notion that the "country" has a "destiny".

    It does indeed have a destiny: as obese, shit-kicking lightweights too busy stabbing each other in the arse to realise just how insignificant they really are.

    Scotland really is a sad little province. But not as bad a Wales. Which is even worse. Or Northern Ireland (where they have yearly shit-kicking competitions). Or England, for that matter.

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    ^Spoken like a true Scot... who lives in London.

    Quote Originally Posted by compulsiverambler View Post
    Well I've never had the option of voting SNP and like most UK citizens probably never will have, so it's hardly surprising it didn't leap into my head.
    Exactly. So an entire nation is effectively disenfranchised. That's precisely why we need independence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemonday View Post
    ^Spoken like a true Scot... who lives in London.
    As I said, the SNP's biggest fans do not reside in the old country. I'm in a big minority...

    Exactly. So an entire nation is effectively disenfranchised. That's precisely why we need independence.
    ...In fact, given the option to vote SNP most English would jump at the chance to free Scotland from the yoke of oppression - and free England from the enormous bills generated by sickly, welfare-dependent whingers.

    The concept of "independence in Europe" rather makes a nonsense of the term "independent". It's a bit like giving a prisoner "freedom" to move between prisons.

    Actually, it's ridiculous. The entire principals underlying Scottish nationalism are based on a petty dislike of the English (who at least have the savoir-faire to take the whole thing in good humour).

    I personally would break a bottle of champagne on Ardrossan Harbour and watch the whole country sail off towards the North Pole, via Iceland, never to be seen again. Imagine the scene: The Good Ship Caledonia, sailing off to the north with a crew of squabbling, work-shy alcoholics; a fight has just broken out in the kitchen... The last cream bun is up for grabs and they're running out of Superlager already.

    It's interesting to note that no country has ever successfully invaded Scotland. Ever wonder why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bananatrombones View Post
    ...In fact, given the option to vote SNP most English would jump at the chance to free Scotland from the yoke of oppression - and free England from the enormous bills generated by sickly, welfare-dependent whingers.
    Well, in so many words. It's true bluemonday, I have no beef with the SNP. I don't understand your disenfranchised comment. I doubt people in the rest of the UK can vote English Democrats or hear much about them either, and that doesn't strike me as unfair. I'm more concerned about the Barnett formula, having no national parliament and silence about those problems down here than by whether people elsewhere know or care about our local issues. Still, I do regret forgetting the SNP and a few other parties with significant seats or support. I was too impatient when making the thread to think long about it. Story of my life is all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bananatrombones View Post
    ...In fact, given the option to vote SNP most English would jump at the chance to free Scotland from the yoke of oppression - and free England from the enormous bills generated by sickly, welfare-dependent whingers.

    The concept of "independence in Europe" rather makes a nonsense of the term "independent". It's a bit like giving a prisoner "freedom" to move between prisons.

    Actually, it's ridiculous. The entire principals underlying Scottish nationalism are based on a petty dislike of the English (who at least have the savoir faire to take the whole thing in good humour).

    I personally would break a bottle of champagne on Ardrossan Harbour and watch the whole country sail off towards the North Pole, via Iceland, never to be seen again. Imagine the scene: The Good Ship Caledonia, sailing off to the north with a crew of squabbling, work-shy alcoholics; a fight has just broken out in the kitchen... The last cream bun is up for grabs and they're running out of Superlager already.

    It's interesting to note that no country has ever successfully invaded Scotland. Ever wonder why?
    That's not strictly true, depending on your definition of "success", but this isn't the place for a history lesson.

    "Most English" don't know the first thing about Scottish politics, nor do they care (nor should they). Apathy is worse than antipathy. But apathy is also the plague of the Scots, created by centuries of subjugation and powerlessness. For years, we were dictated to by a Tory government no one here wanted. If that happens again, perhaps the worm will finally get a backbone. We shall see.

    Believe it or not, not all SNP supporters are rabidly anti-English. Read the manifesto - you might learn something. Although we really don't care what you think, since your vote doesn't count. :P


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    Quote Originally Posted by compulsiverambler View Post
    I don't understand your disenfranchised comment.
    When the entire nation only accounts for 8% of the vote, what else would you call it? We have no voice in the UK parliament and no power in our own.
    And our issues are not "local", they are national.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemonday View Post
    When the entire nation only accounts for 8% of the vote, what else would you call it? We have no voice in the UK parliament and no power in our own.
    And our issues are not "local", they are national.
    'National' can refer to the UK or to specific countries within it. It seems perfectly legitimate to talk about England's and Scotland's respective 'local' issues within this context. It's clearer.

    I still think you're reading too much into the poll options. In my opinion no one has less to lose or more to gain from scrapping the Union than the English. The fact that independence parties weren't at the forefront of my mind is actually a symptom of an English grievance, not a Scottish one: we don't get the opportunity to hear about, discuss or vote about the issue down here much at all, and when we do we hear far more about other countries' reasons for wanting independence than our own. That's just how Westminster wants it, and certainly not for the benefit of ordinary English people. I'm resigned to the fact that it's not going to change any time soon and that there's not much I can do about it all the time I don't trust the EDP to not turn out to be crackpots, so I don't think about it much anymore.

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