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    I'll post the latest 4th video later today, but apparently the ACORN worker in the vid admitted to MURDERING HER HUSBAND. I repeat, killed her husband, SHOT HIM, in her words. I'm not even saying that she was telling the truth in the video though. The point is this organization is rife with corruption from top to bottom, and it seeps into the halls of the the white house and state governments. ACORN and its sister organizations are a center for corruption.

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    Scroll down the page for running commentary on the new audio airing on the Glenn Beck radio show:

    Democrats and Republicans alike have been shocked over the past few days as hidden-camera video after hidden camera video has surfaced regarding the practices of ACORN. In the videos, two actors, James and Hannah, pose as a prostitute and a pimp seeking an illegal housing loan for a brothel. So far, three videos, filmed at ACORN facilities in Baltimore, Washington, D.C., and New York City, have been released and broadcast on news channels.

    Regarding the corruption that is continuing to come to light, Beck cautions that we shouldn’t look at this issue on the surface, it isn’t about the people on the ground of ACORN. Rather, Beck says that “This is about the whole philosophy behind community organizing.”

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    On Glenn Beck’s radio program this morning, Beck played new audio clips from a fourth incident that had also been taped under-cover. This tape comes from San Bernadino, Calfornia. Once again James and Hannah pose as a prostitute “Eden” and a pimp and are speaking with an employee named Theresa.

    Upon their arrival, Theresa asks them if they are familiar with ACORN, the actors state they are, and Theresa goes on to tell them that “We say we are non-partisan.” Which implies that they are in fact, not. Like we didn’t know that already.

    When James and Hannah reveal their “professions,” Theresa divulges that she herself used to run an escort service and seemingly thinks that Hannah’s job as a prostitute is great. Even better, Theresa says “Heidi Fleiss is my hero.”

    James and Hannah additionally reveal they are planning on smuggling El Salvadorian underage girls into the United States to fund future political campaigns, to which the ACORN worker voices no objection what-so-ever.

    10:54am: As the audio continues, James divulges his aspirations to run for an elected office someday. In enthusiastic response, Theresa says she speaks with Congressman and Senators every day. She names Senator Barbara Boxer and Senator McCleod, and 62nd district Assemblywoman Wilmer Amina Carter. Theresa says that “Eden’s” prostitution money would be an asset to him in his quest to become a Senator or Representative.

    11:01am: Regarding the legislators that she speaks with, Theresa says that they (most likely herself and their ACORN office) are lobbying these law makers in behalf of health care reform. Apparently, this “non-partisan” organization that gets government money for housing assistance is using tax dollars for health care lobbying.

    11:15am: Theresa discloses that her ex-husband abused her and “beat the hell out of” her. She then continues to confess, “I killed him . . . . I shot him.” She notes that she had laid some “groundwork” beforehand. When James and Hannah question her as to whether he was abusing her when she killed him, she says that he was not at that moment, but she knew he was going to, she said, “I knew it was coming.”

    11:30am: It looks like that’s all for now with the latest ACORN video to be released. To see the video, be sure to watch Glenn Beck’s program on Fox News tonight at 5 pm Eastern. The video and transcript will be available on Big Government after 4 pm Eastern.

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    I just saw the clip on TV, and this is how it went for the killing part.

    She says that she killed her husband, then the guy asks:

    "You killed him emotionally?"
    She says, "No, I shot him."

    Then she proceeded to explain how she shot her pimp/husband dead, and the whole situation behind it. Just WOW.

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    If it is true I think its newsworthy since it appears not to be an isolated incident. As far as national news and at this point in time, No. Am I glad ACORN's Federal funding is cut, yes.

    I, nevertheless don't see the direct, nor causualy indirect, connection between these alleged illegal activities and President Obama. I thought the voter registration fraud matter was much more newsworthy in 2008. If they made a connection that Obama sanctioning their illegal activities I would say clearly that would be a national news story, but I simply don't see it.

    On a related note (tea baggers) I have a libertarian background and can sympathize with those who want a limited government and disagree with the government plan for healthcare reform. Those who are promoting this traditional paleoconservative ideas seem however to be the same ones who were behind George W. Bush/neocon deficit expansion (essentially tax on future generations) platforms (i.e. Fox News/Rush Limbaugh). I don't think that most of them are racists yet I do feel that some the resentment against Obama is fueled by racist undertones instigated by racists and amoral opportunists which only count for an influential minority within the Republican party/neocons.

    Most Republicans mean well but their definitely a cancer within their ranks. Hopefully the neocons plans will backfire and the paleoconservatives/libertarian constitutionalists will be able to take the party back and regain its integrity.

    Until the integrity is reacquired I look at everything Fox News/Republican party's current leadership does as suspect. (and to a lesser degree the Democratics as well)

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    I'm torn here. "Prostitute" should be a perfectly legal profession and fine to put on a tax return. Plus, paying taxes sucks and I will definitely use all legal means to avoid paying income taxes in the future. But telling people not to file? Voter registration fraud? Come on now. ACORN is really off the rails, and they should be vilified for it.
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    ACORN, San Bernardino, the most shocking one by far, because this woman admits to all kinds of incriminating s***:

    [YOUTUBE="iMa0b8wj324"]ACORN Glenn Beck[/YOUTUBE]

    [YOUTUBE="rsC27XgnJHk"]Raw footage, pt 1[/YOUTUBE]
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    [YOUTUBE="sDEvFBl_JpA"]Raw footage, pt 3[/YOUTUBE]
    [YOUTUBE="LWRCuxBWkB4"]Raw footage, pt 4[/YOUTUBE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    I'm torn here. "Prostitute" should be a perfectly legal profession and fine to put on a tax return. Plus, paying taxes sucks and I will definitely use all legal means to avoid paying income taxes in the future. But telling people not to file? Voter registration fraud? Come on now. ACORN is really off the rails, and they should be vilified for it.
    I think we're missing the issue of them bringing in 13 year old Al Salvadorians for the said prostitution. Surely libertarians don't approve of that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    I think we're missing the issue of them bringing in 13 year old Al Salvadorians for the said prostitution. Surely libertarians don't approve of that...
    13-year-olds = bad, definitely. But we're all for immigrant workers. They do the (blow)jobs that Americans can't or won't do!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    13-year-olds = bad, definitely. But we're all for immigrant workers. They do the (blow)jobs that Americans can't or won't do!
    Lol, of course! It's the American way!

    There;s also the issue of this woman admitting that the office deals directly with certain politicians like Senator Barbra Boxer (hearing her name made me giddy), and admittedly lobbying for them and certain legislation initiatives, healthcare being among them and some sort of drugs policy. Now THAT part of it is present up through the entirety of the organization, I believe. And if I'm correct, they aren't supposed to do that since they are federally funded with BILLIONS of our tax dollars.

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    No one takes you seriously when you quote Fox News.

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    It just seems to smell like propaganda / demagoguery (which is kinda interesting in itself as it is taking it all to a much more complex level)

    For example trafficking in children and the exploitation of immigrants is happening all of the time it would be a great expose if Fox was to address this problem. Yet in general they don't.

    "The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) is a community-based[citation needed] organization in the USA that advocates for low- and moderate-income families by working on neighborhood safety, voter registration, health care, affordable housing, and other social issues. ACORN has over 400,000 members and more than 1,200 neighborhood chapters in over 100 cities across the United States,[1] as well as in Argentina, Canada, Mexico, and Peru....On September 9, 2009, a video was released by activists containing hidden-camera footage of ACORN employees in Baltimore speaking with two actors, Hannah Giles and James O'Keefe, posing as a prostitute and a pimp in order to solicit inappropriate statements from these employees. These two employees gave unethical advice on home loans, tax evasion and on obscuring the status of under-aged, undocumented sex workers, and were subsequently fired by ACORN.

    An ACORN board member called the first video "false", "defamatory", an attempt at "gotcha journalism", and a violation of Maryland wiretap laws, adding that undercover teams had failed in similar attempts in at least five local offices in different states.[58][59][60] Within a few days, additional videos were released which showed similarly unethical advice offered by ACORN loan advisers in Washington DC, New York City, and San Bernadino.[61]

    The Brooklyn District Attorney's office announced an investigation into ACORN.[62] Following the release of the Washington DC and New York videos, the Senate voted 83 to 7 to pass an amendment to exclude ACORN from funding under the Housing and Urban Development appropriations bill" (source Wikipedia)

    The hidden message is “ACORN + organization that endorsed Democratic presidential candidate Obama in 2008 + Organization that engaged in voter registration fraud in 2008 + Some (All?) of the 1,200 Offices approached by undercover actors/journalists posing as a prostitute and a pimp in order to solicit inappropriate statements from these employees + five tapes showed success in these endeavors = President Obama's election against McCain was a swindle so President Obama could be an assessory in a child prostitution ring throughout the United States therefore if you support President Obama you are essentially a child molester.”

    I know it sounds crazy but I from my study of linguistics and propaganda this is the message I see Faux news and their neocon TV and radio talk show brigade attempting to mind wash the American people. (Or its an unintended coincidence that nevertheless invade the American psyche in such a manner)

    Ok this is just one of my crazy INTP conspiracy theories yet it would make a good sci-fi story...

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    These videos are disturbing for a variety of reasons but they are not serious journalism. The methods used by these "reporters/actors" are very sketchy which makes me question what they found (do we even know that all of these people are in fact ACORN employees and authorized to speak for ACORN?) .

    Let's review what we have found so far based on the video "evidence" and get beyond the rhetoric.

    1. Two people reasonably well dressed and spoken walk into Acorn offices in different parts of the country asking for help with taxes and housing advice, again, taxes and advice on getting housing.

    2. These alleged ACORN employees try and help them by giving them advice on both the above issues in a very misguided manner and in spite of their clearly over-the-top illegal scheme.

    What does the above mean?
    These alleged ACORN employees are poorly informed and are taking the idea of helping ANYONE who comes in too far. ACORN does need to ensure that it hires people who are educated about what is okay and not okay by ACORN's own norms and the laws of the country, not just what the housing or tax codes are. This is the problem that came up even with the voter registration allegations - SOME ACORN contractors/people hired on an hourly basis decided they could just make up names and sign forms instead of actually registering voters. The problem was people at the ground level - basically volunteers who were doing this. The employees featured in the videos have already been fired.

    What does it NOT mean:

    1. ACORN is helping run a child prostitution ring. That is preposterous. These are things the actors made up to trap the ACORN employees. These are NOT actual activities the ACORN employees are involved in. We do realize the difference, don't we? The woman who presented herself as a prostitute was 19 years old by her own admission and the talk about the young girls from El-Salvador would have come across as a joke to most of us if we were sitting across from these two. Admittedly, the employees should have turned these people away or told them that they needed to be doing legal activities to get help. Yet, the woman at ACORN was helping this person file a return - um, let's see - pay a portion of their earnings to the state to be used for public goods. Did the ACORN worker suggest that they participate in a child prostitution ring or participate in it in anyway -- NO.

    2. The entire organization is now besmirched and is corrupt and is misusing federal money. Please. We could make an equal number of bad videos on hand held cameras covering the good work that ACORN does in fact in helping people across the country get access to housing and registering voters so that previously disenfranchised voices are heard. Is that SO terrible at the organizational level? Many ACORN offices turned the two activists away and called the police on them. This has not been given adequate attention by Fox.

    3. This was an example of great, serious journalism uncovering a huge political scandal. NO. These were two conservative activists who went out with a particular agenda - to discredit this agency that provides valuable services to poor communities around the country. Their methods were laughable. The reason it hasn't been picked up as a huge story by many in the mainstream media is not because they're trying to avoid the story but because the methods are so reprehensible and questionable that only Fox News would find them to be adequate as hard hitting evidence worthy of a national news network. Also, it failed to mention, as a FAIR AND BALANCED network would that these were not all the offices that these two goons went to. As mentioned above, many of the ACORN offices turned the actors away and some called the police on them. Imagine that! Now that wouldn't be newsworthy at Fox, would it?

    In conclusion, IF these videos are accurate, they demonstrate the underhanded methods being used by conservative activists to discredit an agency that provides important services to hundreds of thousands of people across the country (are all of them prostitutes and pimps who plan to hire underage El-Salvadorian sex-workers? Come on people, wouldn't a slightly better informed person find the idea as preposterous as we do? ).

    ACORN needs to seriously reconsider the methods used to vet people at its local offices and have a better training program in place. They also need to have better accountability - NGOs are open to public criticism and evaluation much like government agencies, especially if they are getting public money. They should get outside help in evaluating their practices and devise more rigorous hiring and training methods so that they can better continue to provide the services they do while being accountable. As noted in Washington Times, as any responsible agency would do, it is undergoing an internal review.

    NPR
    Videos Put ACORN Under Pressure : NPR

    Washington Times
    ACORN fires 2 in D.C. after video footage - Washington Times

    Baltimore Sun
    Bartlett calls for probe of ACORN over videos -- baltimoresun.com

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