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    Default Lockerbie fallout

    I'm surprised no one else has started a thread on this yet.

    Scottish leader defends Lockerbie bomber release - Yahoo! News

    ^I cordially invite the Scottish National Party to suck the shit out of my ass.


    Here's another, more informative article which strongly suggest despicable collusion between the Scottish regional government and the British national government, as well as cynical silence and opportunism by two branches of the American federal government. :steam:

    The Libyan Ultimatum - Times Online

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    Did you see the hero's welcome he got upon arrival in Libya?

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    Redneck, I was sort of waiting to see if there would be a thread on this too, although I was thinking more specifically of the reaction he got in Libya and then the extremely disingenuous "omg! how rude! how ruuuude!" reaction from the UK/US/Scottish governments. "We freed a convicted mass murdering terrorist to go back to his terrorist-sympathizing country and they have the GALL to be publically HAPPY about it?" Good lord, suck on it - bathe in that footage - you cynical assholes.
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    Looks like there is some speculation that the Brits did this in exchange for favorable oil deals?



    At the heart of the brouhaha are questions over whether Britain decided to release Megrahi in order to gain favorable treatment from Gaddafi on multi-billion-dollar energy and defense contracts. London says there was no deal - and that the decision to release the convicted terrorist was made by Scottish authorities on compassionate grounds because Megrahi, the only person jailed for the 1988 bombing of a Pan Am jet in which 270 people died, has terminal cancer. But a British businessman with close ties to Libya says that while there may not have been a clearly defined backroom deal between British and Libyan officials, London knew that Libya was likely to retaliate if Megrahi died in jail. "Had he died in prison contracts might have been suspended," said the businessman, who did not want his name used because he does not want to jeopardize his ties with the north African nation.

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    Quite obviously the man has been fitted up. Think about it.

    Low level muppet takes the rap...

    All's well that ends well.

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    Falcarius does not really know why this is even a big deal. Scotland is rightly able to decide to free whoever it likes from prison for whatever reason. The American government should get their own backyard together before lamenting about others. :steam:

    As for the claim about ''despicable collusion between the Scottish regional government and the British national government'' is nearly as laughable as those crazy conspiracy theories claim that the September 11th attacks were a demolition job. Arguable the main reason al-Megrahi was let out anyway is because there is serious doubt, in the eyes general public's in Scotland, over his guilt. The SNP are not dogmatic but rather essentially a populist party. The SNP government in Holyrood has very little support from the central British government in Westminster because the whole point of the party is to get independence. They jostle polices that seem popular (like al-Megrahi release) so they can try and use them as a battering ram to hold a referendum on independence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falcarius View Post
    Falcarius does not really know why this is even a big deal.
    ....out of curiosity, would you also be clueless as to why we would be extremely pissed off if you released Osama Bin Laden from a Scottish jail on "compassionate" grounds?

    As for the rest;
    1.) The decision to release the Lockerbie bomber was not made on the basis of any supposed problems with the trial, that's a non-issue

    2.) Read the friggin' second article I posted (as well as several others on the same subject); there is plenty of circumstantial evidence to suggest some degree of collusion between the Scottish and British governments, each for their own reasons. Whether or not such collusion took place remains to be seen.

    3.) The fact that the Scottish government carried out such an atrocious action clearly demonstrates that Scottish/British sovereignty was not curtailed by the United States. Likewise, how we choose to respond (ranging from boycotts and diplomatic isolation to generalized anger and contempt generated towards anybody would defend such a decision) is up to us; there are consequences (positive, negative, or both) for all choices.

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    Politically, this was a smart move. Goodwill gestures like this aren't anything new, and releasing terminally-ill prisoners is something Scotland does regularly. Letting this guy go to Libya to die, while strengthening the political and economic ties the British and Scottish governments have with Libya, is a win-win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Politically, this was a smart move. Goodwill gestures like this aren't anything new, and releasing terminally-ill prisoners is something Scotland does regularly. Letting this guy go to Libya to die, while strengthening the political and economic ties the British and Scottish governments have with Libya, is a win-win.
    Not if it substantially damages relations between the UK and the United States, or if it leads to substantially diminished public support for the British/Scottish governments. In terms of realpolitik, this was an extremely risky move for a government that lacks the capacity to control mass media and communications, and whose perceived national interests include maintaining a close alliance with the United States.
    Last edited by lowtech redneck; 08-24-2009 at 11:04 PM. Reason: add a word

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    Not if it substantially damages relations between the UK and the United States, or if it leads to substantially diminished public support for the British/Scottish governments.
    .... which it won't. We've seen the reactions so far.

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