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    Default Libertarian = F*ck you, I'm gonna get mine?

    This seems to be the overriding thought mechanism I interpret when reading political commentary from professed libertarians on any forum.

    the individuals have almost always either been provided for from birth or cling onto the desire that they will indeed get theirs, but i have read few personal examples where such idealism has in fact worked out.

    If you consider yourself to lean towards libertarianism, just how well are you succeeding in life without any gov't interference? Are you growing your own food to make sure that it isn't poisoned? Building your own house to ensure the construction quality standards? Generating your own power to make sure you are paying a fair price? Travelling solely on local rural dirt roads to avoid the questionable condition of other vehicles? Paying others to protect your property when you are asleep or away? Breathing self bottled air?

    If not, just how would you live an entire life without regulation and govt interference?

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    Libertarians want less government, not no government. I have found most critics operate under that erroneous assumption. This typically includes scaling back of military operations abroad, scaling back welfare programs and focusing more on targeted assistance, etc. Some Libertarians also believe in free health-care, which we'd be able to pay for if government bureaucracy was severely downsized and the budget eliminated of fluff.

    Government should serve as a public defender, and really nothing else.

    You should adopt a more open tone if you want to debate the topic intelligently rather than spout exaggerated nonsense, otherwise all you'll invite is nonsense in return. What you're describing is more like Anarchism.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    You should adopt a more open tone if you want to debate the topic intelligently rather than spout exaggerated nonsense, otherwise all you'll invite is nonsense in return.
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    I sit on the border between Conservatism and Libertarianism, leaning towards Libertarianism.

    Libertarians, as Jock has said, want the government to have less power. We beleive that they are restricting our choices in life and doing too many things. We believe that it should, as Jock said, be a protective body.

    Here's a bit from TWSPQ:
    LIBERTARIANS support maximum liberty in both personal and

    economic matters. They advocate a much smaller government; one

    that is limited to protecting individuals from coercion and violence.

    Libertarians tend to embrace individual responsibility, oppose

    government bureaucracy and taxes, promote private charity, tolerate

    diverse lifestyles, support the free market, and defend civil liberties
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    Ideally, I'm a market socialist, but if capitalism is the game I have to play by, then I'd choose Libertarianism over another ideology I know of.

    The theory behind it is simple:
    Government stays out of other countries' business
    Basic necessities are taken care of (military, policing, etc.)
    Victimless crimes shouldn't be crimes unless if they're overwhelmingly harmful
    Free market competition is endorsed as much as possible
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    Quote Originally Posted by dga View Post
    This seems to be the overriding thought mechanism I interpret when reading political commentary from professed libertarians on any forum.

    the individuals have almost always either been provided for from birth or cling onto the desire that they will indeed get theirs, but i have read few personal examples where such idealism has in fact worked out.

    If you consider yourself to lean towards libertarianism, just how well are you succeeding in life without any gov't interference? Are you growing your own food to make sure that it isn't poisoned? Building your own house to ensure the construction quality standards? Generating your own power to make sure you are paying a fair price? Travelling solely on local rural dirt roads to avoid the questionable condition of other vehicles? Paying others to protect your property when you are asleep or away? Breathing self bottled air?

    If not, just how would you live an entire life without regulation and govt interference?
    I don't know, but F you I'm gonna get mine!!!!!!!!

    No, but seriously I think it is impossible to act without ANY governmental interference. I mean, do you want absolute chaos??? The rich study; the poor don't??? No police??? No army??? I mean, damn...

    True, the government often interferes too much, especially now when it has become popular and 'cool' to be all pro-government. However, libertarianism takes things too far.

    Balance is the key. Balance.

    Edit: And yes, before you all go ape on me, I was exaggerating and know perfectly well that libertarianism favors the army and some forms of governmental interference, like defense. But they also take the rest too far.

    I mean it is really a fine line between not enough government and too much government.
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    Thank you, Jock.

    For the record, dga, I've never said anything that you said that we've said. And you don't know my background, or my struggles.

    Limited government, not no government. I gladly pay taxes and I gladly accept services for those taxes - such as roads and protection. I pay for everything I receive - whether it be food or the judicial system - so I'm not quite sure what you are rambling on about.

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    I always thought that libertarianism was more about "Fuck you, don't take away what's mine" not "Fuck you, I'm gonna get mine"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    I always thought that libertarianism was more about "Fuck you, don't take away what's mine" not "Fuck you, I'm gonna get mine"
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    You know the Bon Jovi song Dead or Alive:

    Its all the same, only the names will change
    Everyday it seems were wasting away
    Another place where the faces are so cold
    Id drive all night just to get back home


    Im a cowboy, on a steel horse I ride
    Im wanted dead or alive
    Wanted dead or alive



    That was about Libertarians.

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