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    Quote Originally Posted by miked277 View Post
    it doesn't get anymore black and white than some of the things you've put into this thread. if you can't see that than you're as blind as those you rail against - blind to the other side of the argument.
    Um, examples? You keep saying this, and while I provided examples, you are not.

    Also, you apparently missed this:

    I don't see entepreneurs as superfluous, or even all of them as exploiting anyone. To categorize entepreneurs as one or the other is this faulty black and white thinking of which I speak. Some entepreneurs are fundamental components of a successful economy. Any intelligent person who opposes laissez faire capitalism but isn't a complete socialist either realizes that entepreneurs are necessary, and that much of business is voluntary economic exchange. But to praise all entepreneurs and not be aware that some of them, especially larger corporations, are exploiting others is voluntary blindness.
    If you take out the strong opinion of my last sentence, there's nothing black and white about what I'm saying at all.

    I think you just want to "win" and you aren't providing any real material to prove your point. That's a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Um, examples? You keep saying this, and while I provided examples, you are not.

    Also, you apparently missed this:



    If you take out the strong opinion of my last sentence, there's nothing black and white about what I'm saying at all.

    I think you just want to "win" and you aren't providing any real material to prove your point. That's a problem.
    i already showed you where you did as much (a page or so ago). and yes, i did see your recent posts. you're making progress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miked277 View Post
    i already showed you where you did as much. and yes, i did see your recent posts. you're making progress.
    You continue to make me laugh. No progress there, son.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    I don't see entepreneurs as superfluous, or even all of them as exploiting anyone.
    I never said you did. I was responding to a post by onemoretime. Why do you take words directed at him and apply them to yourself? That makes no sense.

    To categorize entepreneurs as one or the other is this faulty black and white thinking of which I speak. Some entepreneurs are fundamental components of a successful economy. Any intelligent person who opposes laissez faire capitalism but isn't a complete socialist either realizes that entepreneurs are necessary, and that much of business is voluntary economic exchange. But to praise all entepreneurs and not be aware that some of them, especially larger corporations, are exploiting others is voluntary blindness. This kind of voluntary blindness and refusal to oversee big business is the kind of extremism that led to the October 2008 crash.
    I categorized entrepreneurs as a "fundamental component of a successful economy", and you respond by saying I'm painting them as black or white. Really? I think you're reading a lot more into my statements than I'm actually making.

    Would you make the same accusation if I said "humans need oxygen to breathe"? Oh, how dare I praise oxygen so!

    Social darwinism is a red herring. Darwin himself didn't even propose such pseudo-intellectual, self-congratulatory idiocy. It has been long ruled out by better minds than anyone arguing here. To mention it is parallel to arguing that Santa Claus is real.
    Talk to your buddy onemoretime about that. He's the one who brought it up. Directing your vindictive tone at me over the use of this term is...well...retarded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miked277 View Post
    i don't have a problem with them, it's just not my ideal of good living.

    you're telling me you want to work at a job with zero opportunity for advancement, learning, growth until you're 65? the dead end part is the key here.
    Ok, then, no problem. I just don't believe there is a direct correlation between the character or value of a person and their socio-economic class.
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    I decided to revive this thread rather than start a new one, but I am happy. Sometimes, I am very proud of my fellow Americans:


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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    I decided to revive this thread rather than start a new one, but I am happy. Sometimes, I am very proud of my fellow Americans:
    The mainstream media coverage of the event and its participants has been an absolute scandal.

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