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    Found this, good read on how hard teachers work:

    "THE NEW SURVIVOR SHOW" Have you heard about the next planned Survivor Show? Three businessmen and three businesswomen will be dropped in an elementary school classroom for 6 weeks. Each business person will be provided with a copy of the school district's curriculum, and a class of 28-35 students. Each class will have five learning-disabled children, three with ADD, one gifted child, and two who speak limited English. Three will be labeled as severe behavior problems. Each business person must complete lesson plans at least 3 days in advance with annotations, and modify, organize, or create materials accordingly.

    They will be required to teach students, handle misconduct, implement technology, document attendance, write referrals, correct homework and tests, make bulletin boards, compute grades, complete report cards, document benchmarks, communicate with parents regularly, and arrange parent conferences. They must also supervise recess and monitor the hallways. In addition, they will complete drills for fire, tornadoes, or shooting attacks. They must attend workshops, faculty meetings, union meetings, and curriculum development meetings, just to name a few. They must also work extra hard with those students who are behind and/or learning disabled, and strive to get them and the two non-English speaking children proficient enough to take the national achievement tests. If they are sick or having a bad day, they must not let it show. Each day, they must incorporate reading, writing, math, science, and social studies into the program They must maintain discipline and provide an educationally stimulating environment at all times. The business people will only have access to the golf course on the weekends, but on their new! salary, they will not be able to afford it anyway. There will be no access to vendors who want to take them out to lunch, and lunch will be limited to 30 minutes. On days when they have recess duty, the business people will be permitted to use the staff restroom as long as another survival candidate is supervising their class. They will be provided with two 40-minute planning periods per week while their students are at specials. If the copier is operable, they may make copies of necessary materials at this time, provided they have not used up their allotted number of copies. The business people must continually advance their education on their own time and pay for this advanced training themselves. Moonlighting at a second job or marrying someone with money can accomplish this. The winner will be allowed to return to his or her job."

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    My sister has just recently switched jobs and is some kind of reading specialist coach now.

    *doesn't know all the details.*
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    ^ That's cool. I'm a big fan of panini. Good stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchitectofFate View Post
    Found this, good read on how hard teachers work:

    "THE NEW SURVIVOR SHOW" Have you heard about the next planned Survivor Show? Three businessmen and three businesswomen will be dropped in an elementary school classroom for 6 weeks. Each business person will be provided with a copy of the school district's curriculum, and a class of 28-35 students. Each class will have five learning-disabled children, three with ADD, one gifted child, and two who speak limited English. Three will be labeled as severe behavior problems. Each business person must complete lesson plans at least 3 days in advance with annotations, and modify, organize, or create materials accordingly.

    They will be required to teach students, handle misconduct, implement technology, document attendance, write referrals, correct homework and tests, make bulletin boards, compute grades, complete report cards, document benchmarks, communicate with parents regularly, and arrange parent conferences. They must also supervise recess and monitor the hallways. In addition, they will complete drills for fire, tornadoes, or shooting attacks. They must attend workshops, faculty meetings, union meetings, and curriculum development meetings, just to name a few. They must also work extra hard with those students who are behind and/or learning disabled, and strive to get them and the two non-English speaking children proficient enough to take the national achievement tests. If they are sick or having a bad day, they must not let it show. Each day, they must incorporate reading, writing, math, science, and social studies into the program They must maintain discipline and provide an educationally stimulating environment at all times. The business people will only have access to the golf course on the weekends, but on their new! salary, they will not be able to afford it anyway. There will be no access to vendors who want to take them out to lunch, and lunch will be limited to 30 minutes. On days when they have recess duty, the business people will be permitted to use the staff restroom as long as another survival candidate is supervising their class. They will be provided with two 40-minute planning periods per week while their students are at specials. If the copier is operable, they may make copies of necessary materials at this time, provided they have not used up their allotted number of copies. The business people must continually advance their education on their own time and pay for this advanced training themselves. Moonlighting at a second job or marrying someone with money can accomplish this. The winner will be allowed to return to his or her job."
    This is fantastic. I love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    $4000/month is not bad. That's more than many college graduate engineers are making now. How long has your sister been a teacher?
    4k x 12 = 48k, not 36k

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    Quote Originally Posted by dga View Post
    4k x 12 = 48k, not 36k
    He was saying that public school teachers only teach class nine months out of the year.
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    lol maths.

    But you also have to figure in that some teachers get paid during the summer, so instead of receiving 4k a month, they receive closer to 3k.
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    Man got to sit and wonder why, why, why;
    Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land;
    Man got to tell himself he understand

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blank View Post
    lol maths.

    But you also have to figure in that some teachers get paid during the summer, so instead of receiving 4k a month, they receive closer to 3k.
    Their pay may be distributed equally throughout the year, but they still don't have to work during the summer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    What you're missing here is that most teachers in their first five years of teaching aren't even earning $30,000. In states and towns where the standard of living is lower, such as the rural mid-West, teachers are paid as low as $16,000 per year. This $51,000 per year average that you're getting includes veteran teachers of 20 and 30 years or more, plus teachers from some of the most expensive cities in the US, such as New York or San Francisco.

    So in essence, your little number here doesn't disprove Simulated World's point. He's right. Teacher's are grossly underpaid for the amount of work they do. They aren't just teachers, they're baby-sitters, counselors, and sometimes even impromptu social workers. Not only that, but many people don't even comprehend just how educated teachers are, and how much post-graduate schooling they do periodically to simply keep their teaching licence. I know a vet teacher who basically has a PhD minus the dissertation because of all of the post-grad work she's had to do to keep her job over 30+ years. People who are that educated deserve to be paid what they are worth.
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    ^Excellent points above. If you haven't been a teacher, you can't possibly comprehend the amount of time spent planning, creating teaching aids, keeping lines of communication open with parents, monitoring students, extracurricular support etc, etc, etc. You DO NOT earn anywhere close to $36,000--that is highly dependent on state, number of years teaching, amount of continuing ed. to keep teaching. Most teachers have second jobs in the summer to make ends meet. It is NOT a 9 mos. job for most.

    When I started teaching I earned $18,000 per year for teaching all fields of science, and beginning Spanish. I also started a program for teenagers on probation, and a pregnancy prevention program for 8th grade girls. I worked approximately 60-70 hours/week to provide appropriate lesson plans, lab work, not to mention the extras put into the probation and pregnancy program.

    I really loved many aspects of teaching, and met amazing, committed individuals but the pay was SO low I literally could not afford to buy necessities and had to quit (even after getting a roommate to cut down costs).

    It is really upsetting to hear how teachers are all so lazy and just do it for a paycheck...some do, but many don't and obviously deserve compensation for their years of acquired education and their commitment. Teachers will always be the easy cop-out but it is hard to teach with no textbooks, no lab equipment, no basic materials in classrooms. If you have spent any significant time in a classroom setting, you will understand how many strikes are against them from the beginning.

    And vouchers are a very insidious way to subsidize private education for wealthier people, and chip away at funds needed to reform public education.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    He was saying that public school teachers only teach class nine months out of the year.
    So where does all that charity come from?

    You don't seem to have addressed that part.
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