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    Quote Originally Posted by professor goodstain View Post
    Yes they do. It's called charity. Twice as effective as Govt. Charity is, perhaps, one of the most strongest properties of Libertarianism. And, most certainly, invented by Libertarianism
    I find it ironic that a political philosophy as outright cynical as Libertarianism could seriously be naive enough to declare that charity will somehow just fix all the problems.

    I'm reminded me of the sheer naivete displayed when socialists say their pure top-down economy will work "because people will place the good of the state above their personal needs!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    I find it ironic that a political philosophy as outright cynical as Libertarianism could seriously be naive enough to declare that charity will somehow just fix all the problems.

    I'm reminded me of the sheer naivete displayed when socialists say their pure top-down economy will work "because people will place the good of the state above their personal needs!"

    Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight...
    i find it "ironic" how govt can fix the problems they created.
    everyone uses every function about evenly. take NE for example. if there are those who don't use it much, then why are there such massive amounts of people constantly flowing through Wallmart with 20 items or less?

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    ^ Government is not inherently bad. It's a necessity because humans aren't moral or responsible enough on their own to get along without it.

    Government does create problems, yes, but pretending that government should almost completely disappear rather than try to rectify these problems is kind of like ripping out the whole drive train just to fix a bad gasket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Okay, here:

    My post used exaggerated humor to illustrate a point about the impracticality of Libertarian philosophy. This is a common technique in satire.

    I invented the specific budgets thing to point out how silly I think it is that Libertarians are so obsessed with never paying a single dime toward any cause that doesn't directly benefit them that it makes them very myopic toward much larger and more important issues.

    This doesn't mean I think Libertarians literally believe the government should write an itemized budget for every citizen every year, but rather that I think the paranoid absurdity that is their position on taxation/use of public government programs is childish, naive and brutally impractical.

    Give me a concrete example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    ^ Government is not inherently bad. It's a necessity because humans aren't moral or responsible enough on their own to get along without it.

    Government does create problems, yes, but pretending that government should almost completely disappear rather than try to rectify these problems is kind of like ripping out the whole drive train just to fix a bad gasket.

    What if the car is a lemon to begin with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    ^ Government is not inherently bad. It's a necessity because humans aren't moral or responsible enough on their own to get along without it.

    Government does create problems, yes, but pretending that government should almost completely disappear rather than try to rectify these problems is kind of like ripping out the whole drive train just to fix a bad gasket.
    A govt representitive of its people is not inherently bad. A strong held belief by Libertarians.
    One must rip out the whole drive train to change a gasket most times. They're quite the pain in the ass to change, depending on there location. Thus, the creation of machanics/specialists....private sector.
    everyone uses every function about evenly. take NE for example. if there are those who don't use it much, then why are there such massive amounts of people constantly flowing through Wallmart with 20 items or less?

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    Quote Originally Posted by professor goodstain View Post
    A govt representitive of its people is not inherently bad. A strong held belief by Libertarians.
    One must rip out the whole drive train to change a gasket most times. They're quite the pain in the ass to change, depending on there location. Thus, the creation of machanics/specialists....private sector.
    lol I really appreciate the ingenuity that went into this response, even if I don't agree with it.

    I guess it shows that I don't know much about cars, but change the example to something else and the conceptual point should still apply.

    Doesn't the drive train also include the transmission? You don't have to remove that to change a gasket, do you? ^_^

    Anyway I agree that most issues are best handled by the private sector. I'm pretty moderate economically, but I probably lean a little more right than left.

    My problem with Libertarianism is that it takes a good principle and doesn't know where to stop. Economic freedom is good, but there's a practical limit that I don't think Libertarians really recognize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    lol I really appreciate the ingenuity that went into this response, even if I don't agree with it.

    I guess it shows that I don't know much about cars, but change the example to something else and the conceptual point should still apply.

    Doesn't the drive train also include the transmission? You don't have to remove that to change a gasket, do you? ^_^

    Anyway I agree that most issues are best handled by the private sector. I'm pretty moderate economically, but I probably lean a little more right than left.

    My problem with Libertarianism is that it takes a good principle and doesn't know where to stop. Economic freedom is good, but there's a practical limit that I don't think Libertarians really recognize.
    Go ahead. Change the example to something else...see if the conceptual point still applies.
    everyone uses every function about evenly. take NE for example. if there are those who don't use it much, then why are there such massive amounts of people constantly flowing through Wallmart with 20 items or less?

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    k, throwing out the baby with the bathwater, then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    k, throwing out the baby with the bathwater, then.
    A Libertarian wouldn't throw a baby under any circumstances. A baby is a future adult. In other words it has a future. It also has intelligent designer givin rights such as life and liberty. Nice mental picture though. Prolly lets one know where the anti-Libertarians train of thought originates

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    everyone uses every function about evenly. take NE for example. if there are those who don't use it much, then why are there such massive amounts of people constantly flowing through Wallmart with 20 items or less?

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