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    I'm pretty sure if diabetics led a nutritionally fit and balanced lifestyle, their diabetes wouldn't be as severe as it may be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quinlan View Post
    Also the accusation that people get Diabetes type II by choice is a very serious one and an incredibly hurtful accusation if you're wrong...
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blank View Post
    I'm pretty sure if diabetics led a nutritionally fit and balanced lifestyle, their diabetes wouldn't be as severe as it may be.
    I don't know too much about diabetes, but by common sense you may be right.

    But probably there are people who aren't willing to do this effort and lead a balanced lifestyle and willing to deal with the consequences.

    And if one is made happy by doughnuts or cigarettes or whatever unhealthy thing, they should not be judged. After all not all people value health and physical appearance.

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    What I really don't get is why people took such a big issue with this when I see billboards displaying abandoned fetuses on the way to Chicago. Donuts = Death to that seems like comparing looking at poop to watching two girls one cup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by am_i_evil666 View Post
    And if one is made happy by doughnuts or cigarettes or whatever unhealthy thing, they should not be judged. After all not all people value health and physical appearance.
    In theory, you may be correct. But in practice, especially with inevitable universal health care, I have no problem judging them. If their lifestyle increases my financial burden, don't tell me "they should not be judged".
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blank View Post
    What I really don't get is why people took such a big issue with this when I see billboards displaying abandoned fetuses on the way to Chicago. Donuts = Death to that seems like comparing looking at poop to watching two girls one cup.
    If a public official, using public funds, was responsible for those billboards, I think the reaction might be different.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    In theory, you may be correct. But in practice, especially with inevitable universal health care, I have no problem judging them. If their lifestyle increases my financial burden, don't tell me "they should not be judged".
    My health is not your business and never will be, regardless of whatever unjust public-health infrastructure the statists try to build.

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    I for once agree with Laterlus. I explicitly advocate a public health care system, not a universal health care system. Even the best plans have weaknesses. I know what pubic health care's are, and I know matters like obesity strain them. I think need has a lot to do with where service should go, and I am skeptical of the need of obese people, because of the degree that I think they can control their own situation.

    So, in other words... We either find a system that somehow works out a definition for voluntary obesity so it can avoid funding those people, or... eveyone else in society will have a justificaiton for being pissed at obese people for sucking up so much money.

    Again, it all really comes back to a question of how much control over obestity people have. It' surely not the same for everyone, and I have spoken to people with hormone mutations that made them fat pretty much no matter what they did. But I doubt the extent of helplessness that is being claimed for the obese here, in general.

    Supposing it is something that can be changed through life choices, then my sympathy to obese people would extend as for as our education and businesses are not helping people fight obesity much. That sympathy only goes so far, however.
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    So does guns, alcohol, tobacco, water, prescription drugs,etc. Heck we are all going to die whether its by donuts or a squirrel.


    Sometimes I just don't get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    My health is not your business and never will be, regardless of whatever unjust public-health infrastructure the statists try to build.
    That's not your choice, unfortunately, and it's one of the reasons I am opposed to universal health care, philosophically (but not necessarily practically). I have a big problem with being forced to subsidize the medical costs of someone who smokes, drinks, or eats themselves into poor health.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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