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    The Eighth Colour Array Octarine's Avatar
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    Because we forget the importance of scale when considering political issues. (and its effects from information input/processing to the impact of a homogeneous solution to a heterogeneous population)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penda View Post
    Why is that if someone has attitudes against something, do they feel that the best solution is always for the state to step in? In the past, and still in many parts of the world, the solution was for the community to impose its own standards on something. Instead of a state inflicted punishment, such as a fine or prison sentence, the punishment would be exclusion or banishment from a given community. This worked much better, since people were motivated by a positive desire to be part of something rather than an aversion to fear. If the poor were needy, there was less need for the government to impose redistribution in smaller, tighter-knit communities. Here, at least in the more successful examples, people felt more of a personal responsibility to help the less fortunate, and doctors would not have avoided poorer households if a member of the community was suffering enough. It was only in the large urban areas where there was no sense of cohesion, such as London and New York City, that the most appalling suffering took root among the large underclass.

    In today's world, there is very little cohesion or sense of unity among anyone. People have a radically individual attitude and also a very material one where wealth and success are measured only in things. It is in this cultural climate that classical liberalism is the least successful, because those who do not prosper truly have nothing, since there is no such thing as spiritual wealth in today's world and there is a genuine lack of community. It almost seems that statists encourage this breakdown of values, and the state has grown in power in leaps and bounds all over the world. The state reduces crime either through mass imprisonment, as in America, or through "rehabilitation" so that the people are in line with the state's values. However, the widespread and growing alienation manifest themselves in the recent surge in anti-depressant prescriptions, and the increase in massacres that have nothing to do with poverty or broken homes, but with complete alienation from the world and misanthropy.
    This is not a moral issue, it is a biological one. Our evolutionary roots are tribal. Humans are not capable of forming relationships with enough people to create these cohesive communities you desire. That's where the state comes in. It's not perfect, but it's the best solution we've come up with so far.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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