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    Default Thoughts on America's International Impression and Vice Versa

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    This might be controversial, but ne'ertheless...

    You know, being an American who's been raised with an international background (I moved to Kuwait 2 months after I was born and never moved back to the states until 7 years later, not to mention living in Thailand, Ethiopia, China and UAE) I have to put up with people constantly putting down the States. Saying things like "Americans want to rule the world," and such. And it hurt me when I heard things like this, but what hurt me even more was, almost 50% of the things they said, I almost have to agree with them sometimes (not the "Americans want to rule the world part," that's just complete nationalistic nonsense). Like it's saddening that I have to talk of my own country this way, you know? I remember when it truly hit me, it was during 6th grade, I was living in Hong Kong at the time, and I was on AIM with some of my friends back in the States. When one of them made the following statement:

    "Yeah so do they speak Japanese in Korea?"

    And that's when I truly realized the barrier around the United States, where nothing truly international ever comes in. We don't see the barrier, and a lot of people don't ever notice it because they've been living in the States their whole life. The only reason I notice it is because I'm always traveling to and from the States and I have to have the same discussions as above all the time with people. It's annoying. I just wish that my fellow American citizens would just for once consider the international viewpoint instead of what's just good for them/what's going on in America.

    And it's very true, not all Americans are this way. Whenever I'm outside the country (which is all the time, actually) I always make sure I'm a good representation of what I believe Americans are supposed to be. I let people know that Americans aren't the bigoted, ignorant nationalists that many people believe we are based on what has been heavily exemplified during the Bush administration (sorry I tried to make this non-political but I couldn't help it). But whenever I have to return to the States for summer holiday or something like that, I'm just flabbergasted. I literally walk out of the gate at the airport and go: "FUCK, nothing's changed since I left!"

    This fact just sort of depresses me, and I hadn't thought about really expressing the way I felt about it until this past summer when I went to Key West to visit my sister, and I just felt like almost everyone I saw was a total incompetent slacker/moron, and I truly wanted to believe (and still want to believe) that that's not America. America is the land of the free and the home of the brave. Not the land of the morons and the home of the whopper.

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    I've noticed this myself.

    I can't help but notice that people from other countries are more intelligent on average than other American members I come across.

    To misquote Lee Greenwood, "I'm ashamed to be an American, but at least I know I'm fed."

    And don't shout at me about patriotism, if you're thinking about doing so... you can't pretend like Americans are so perfect/good and don't have any of these problems. We're better off admitting we've got a problem so we can make our country REALLY great, rather than just pretending it is when it isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    I can't help but notice that people from other countries are more intelligent on average than other American members I come across.
    I like to think that Americans aren't less intelligent, it's just that they're more ignorant and less receptive to international views and opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metaphours View Post
    I like to think that Americans aren't less intelligent, it's just that they're more ignorant and less receptive to international views and opinions.
    What's the difference between being less intelligent and more ignorant/closed-minded? Isn't being ignorant and closed-minded by definition being less intelligent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    What's the difference between being less intelligent and more ignorant/closed-minded? Isn't being ignorant and closed-minded by definition being less intelligent?
    Hmm, true. You do have a point. But I thought you meant intelligence as in IQ or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    What's the difference between being less intelligent and more ignorant/closed-minded? Isn't being ignorant and closed-minded by definition being less intelligent?

    No. Americans (generally) are not as exposed to the current events and culture of other nations because our own current events and culture are so dominant on the world scene. We must seek out information about other places, because we don't just absorb it through our day-to-day dealings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    No. Americans (generally) are not as exposed to the current events and culture of other nations because our own current events and culture are so dominant on the world scene. We must seek out information about other places, because we don't just absorb it through our day-to-day dealings.
    I think they just need to include more international viewpoints on the news, as a start. That would get us more open to international perspectives.

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    Come on, the world doesn't hate all of the US, they just hate this part:



    International tourists flock to places like NYC, Las Vegas, and California. But you won't find them going to Kentucky to see The Creation Museum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metaphours View Post
    I think they just need to include more international viewpoints on the news, as a start. That would get us more open to international perspectives.
    Is your primary complaint that Americans are ignorant of international perspectives, or that our perspective(s) tend to differ from the same? I majored in IR and Comparative Politics, and the more I found out about international perspectives, the more appreciative I became of my own country's perspectives. Our experience as a federal, immigrant state-nation based explicitly (if sometimes only ostensibly) on classical liberal principles, and the manner of civic (as opposed to ethnic) nationalism this creates, gives us a perspective that is as difficult for most other nations to understand as it is for us to understand theirs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    Is your primary complaint that Americans are ignorant of international perspectives, or that our perspective(s) tend to differ from the same? I majored in IR and Comparative Politics, and the more I found out about international perspectives, the more appreciative I became of my own country's perspectives. Our experience as a federal, immigrant state-nation based explicitly (if sometimes only ostensibly) on classical liberal principles, and the manner of civic (as opposed to ethnic) nationalism this creates, gives us a perspective that is as difficult for most other nations to understand as it is for us to understand theirs.

    Perhaps if our country behaved more in keeping with our classical liberal principles, our international reputation would improve.
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