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    Default Most Republicans not sure/doubt Obama was born in US

    I knew a good number of people on the Right would have views like this, but I've been surprised at how popular these views have become lately. The Birther movement is considered to be a small subsection of people on the Right, but their message has been going out uncontested by almost all mainstream and elected Republicans. So their beliefs are now starting to become adopted by the Republican base at large, which is looking for any reason to demonize the racist-Kenyan-Muslim-long-legged-mack-daddy-Barack-Huissen-Obama.

    What do you think of all this?

    58 percent of GOP not sure/doubt Obama born in US

    A whopping 58 percent of Republicans either think Barack Obama wasn't born in the US (28 percent) or aren't sure (30 percent). A mere 42 percent think he was.

    That means a majority of Republicans polled either don't know about -- or don't believe the seemingly incontrovertible evidence Obama's camp has presented over and over and over that he was born in Hawaii in '61.

    It also explains why Republicans, including Roy Blunt, are playing footsie with the Birther fringe.

    Surprise, surprise: Birther sentiment was strongest in the South and among the 60-plus crowd - presumably because seniors can't log on to the Internet and rely on rumor, word of mouth and right-wing talk radio.

    When do we start a serious dialog about the Birther movement being a proxy for racism that is unacceptable to articulate in more direct terms?

    In all 77 percent of Americans overall think the president is actually an American.

    Research 2000 for Daily Kos. 7/27-30. All adults. MoE 2% (No trend lines)

    Do you believe that Barack Obama was born in the United States of America or not?

    Yes 77
    No 11
    Not sure 12

    How do those numbers break down?

    Yes No Not sure
    Dem 93 4 3
    Rep 42 28 30
    Ind 83 8 9

    Northeast 93 4 3
    South 47 23 30
    Midwest 90 6 4
    West 87 7 6

    18-29 88 4 8
    30-44 72 14 14
    45-59 82 8 10
    60+ 69 17 14
    58 percent of GOP not sure/doubt Obama born in US - Glenn Thrush - POLITICO.com

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    The hilarious part is that 7% of Democrats don't believe/know that Obama was born in the United States. Are we to assume that the majority of those who voted ended up voting for someone they believe was not born in the United States?
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    LOL.

    The ignorance and stupidity of some people. WOW. They want to think he is an alien, when in fact they probably know he isn't, assuming that they aren't complete idiots. (not directed at republicans in general).

    And furthermore, and though it is unconstitional, he already has been elected and the majority of this country favors him. These idiots are chasing a lost cuase, in my opinion. It shouldn't make a difference either way whether or not a person was born in America, but it's unconstitional and against laws that are completelty out of date. IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWithSoul View Post
    LOL.

    The ignorance and stupidity of some people. WOW. They want to think he is an alien, when in fact they probably know he isn't, assuming that they aren't complete idiots. (not directed at republicans in general).
    Oh, I agree. The majority of Republicans know he is not a foreign national. They are trying to keep the most retarded part of their coalition on board, and it's making them look desperate. It's as stupid as people still refusing to recognize Dubya's 2000 electoral victory. It's the same as the Intelligent Design argument. Some people really believe it, others WANT to believe it, and still others don't believe, but refuse to alienate those who do. It's like the agnostic neocons who write about religion being necessary for the average person, because he/she can't make sense of the world without a god.


    And furthermore, and though it is unconstitional, he already has been elected and the majority of this country favors him. These idiots are chasing a lost cuase, in my opinion. It shouldn't make a difference either way whether or not a person was born in America, but it's unconstitional and against laws that are completelty out of date. IMO.

    Well, if he actually WERE born outside of the United States, John McCain is the President of the United States. It's not out of date at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    The hilarious part is that 7% of Democrats don't believe/know that Obama was born in the United States. Are we to assume that the majority of those who voted ended up voting for someone they believe was not born in the United States?
    The Birther movement hasn't really picked up steam and gotten all this national coverage until after the election, especially within the last few weeks. It makes sense that their message would eventually cause a small percent of Democrats to doubt his birthplace as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Oh, I agree. The majority of Republicans know he is not a foreign national. They are trying to keep the most retarded part of their coalition on board, and it's making them look desperate. It's as stupid as people still refusing to recognize Dubya's 2000 electoral victory. It's the same as the Intelligent Design argument. Some people really believe it, others WANT to believe it, and still others don't believe, but refuse to alienate those who do. It's like the agnostic neocons who write about religion being necessary for the average person, because he/she can't make sense of the world without a god.





    Well, if he actually WERE born outside of the United States, John McCain is the President of the United States. It's not out of date at all.
    It's like the Republicans are clinging onto debris of a wrecked ship, one that's already sunk, but for some insane reason, they still think it's fixable. FAIL.

    They want to make it a national issue, to stir up the press and get the people thinking. But it's just making them look like ignorant idiots that it isn't doing much good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    The Birther movement hasn't really picked up steam and gotten all this national coverage until after the election, especially within the last few weeks. It makes sense that their message would eventually cause a small percent of Democrats to doubt his birthplace as well.

    It doesn't make sense to someone with half a brain, but OK. I had heard all about this issue over a year ago, and it was stupid then. Even stupider now. Do you not remember the pro-Hillary birthers of early-2008, during the primaries?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    It doesn't make sense to someone with half a brain, but OK.
    Are you calling most Republicans stupid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWithSoul View Post
    It's like the Republicans are clinging onto debris of a wrecked ship, one that's already sunk, but for some insane reason, they still think it's fixable. FAIL.

    They want to make it a national issue, to stir up the press and get the people thinking. But it's just making them look like ignorant idiots that it isn't doing much good.

    Some members of that party don't seem to be interested in a resurgence. Jesse Walker takes down the birthers in his most recent article in Reason.


    Fear of a Foreign President: Making sense of the birther conspiracy theorists - Reason Magazine
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Are you calling most Republicans stupid?

    No, because most Republicans don't REALLY believe Obama was not born in the United States. That's what OneWithSoul and I are saying. They are going along with it anyway to try to undermine Obama, and it makes them look stupid.
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