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    Libertarianism is a nice personal philosophy, and an absolutely terrible way to run a society. If you take libertarianism and allow the government to do what it does best and private individuals to do what they do best, you don't have libertarianism anymore. In fact, that's pretty much what modern liberalism is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Libertarianism is a nice personal philosophy, and an absolutely terrible way to run a society. If you take libertarianism and allow the government to do what it does best and private individuals to do what they do best, you don't have libertarianism anymore. In fact, that's pretty much what modern liberalism is.
    This is subject for interpretation. If I think of what government does best, and what private individuals do best, I wind up with libertarianism. It comes to a differing interpretation of what "best" is.



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    Yes.

    Resource: The Cato Institute

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    If power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely, then our political problem is how to limit power.

    And our solution is liberal democracy which is devoted to the limitation of power.

    And it is a solution that has worked in civilized countries for hundreds of years.

    It was liberal democracy that abolished institutional slavery for the first time in human history in 1833 in the House of Commons.

    And in the 20th Century it was liberal democracy that emancipated women.

    And in the last 15 years or so it was liberal democracy that first prosecuted child sexual abuse in the Criminal Courts.

    So it is liberal democracy that has successfully limited power over slaves, women and children.

    So may I suggest you take no notice at all of bogus Political Tests, and simply choose for yourself.
    Libertarianism, as with liberalism, conservativism, socialism and communism is just a label and within each philosophy there are a range of views.

    Incidentally, it is my observation that liberal democracies are unable to deal with the current big issues facing society: low birth rate in developed countries, high birth rates in undeveloped countries, use of immigration to bolster economy, corrupt financial systems and global warming. In fact, some of the achievements you have mentioned may actually be the cause of some of these problems.

    It's OK to have fanciful ideals about the way things 'should' be, but sometimes unpopular policies may be the best way of achieving the overall objectives of the human race (reproduction, evolution, and expansion).

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    I think I would qualify, yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alwar View Post
    If you mean "libertarian" in the historical sense, maybe. If you are referring to the paleoconservative alteration of the term that developed in the early 1970's, not really.

    Libertarians are paleocons? Since when?
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    I sympathise with Libertarian ideas, and I'd be a member of the party if I lived in the US. Over here in Holland I'm a member of the liberal democrats (D66).

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    I'm a Centrist/Independent.
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    hahaha, goooooodness. Can't say I expected such a discussion yo. Well, it was a fun read nevertheless!

    P.S. Go libertarians!!! haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    This is subject for interpretation. If I think of what government does best, and what private individuals do best, I wind up with libertarianism. It comes to a differing interpretation of what "best" is.
    Outside of a utilitarian viewpoint and a marginal cost/benefit analysis, how is this issue rectified on what in essence are subjective opinions?

    Just because someone doesn't like the idea of the government owning, say, the nation's roads, doesn't mean that the maximum amount of benefit relative to costs comes from private ownership of roads. That's the main problem I have with modern libertarianism - it's much too dogmatic.

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