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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    It already is.
    But to a lesser extent. The general public has a form of control on the governement, and the government on the rest, and although it is far from perfect. It does keep the boundaries a bit closer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    But to a lesser extent.
    How are you to judge that? I'm sure there would be many who would disagree.

    And there would be less criminal organizations if most crimes weren't crimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    But to a lesser extent. The general public has a form of control on the governement, and the government on the rest, and although it is far from perfect. It does keep the boundaries a bit closer.
    No one is talking about ending the government, just making it more accessible to the actual people it affects. Less federal involvement, as a whole, to start.

    But there is no reason why bureaucracy exists on the level that it does here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    How are you to judge that? I'm sure there would be many who would disagree.
    The easier it becomes to influence, the more it will be recognized and abused. This is human freaking nature. :P

    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    And there would be less criminal organizations if most crimes weren't crimes.
    +1 for you. Yeah, survival of the fittest. Those who don't cope don't deserve to live. No laws, no crimes! That'll work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    +1 for you. Yeah, survival of the fittest. Those who don't cope don't deserve to live. No laws, no crimes! That'll work.
    You know very well that you are speaking of 2 radical extremes on either end of the spectrum and are not being reasonable. You've completely missed the point. And I feel like you will deliberately continue to do so, so I'm not going to bother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    I lived in Germany for quite a few years and I hated the system. The level of taxes were outrageous. No one worked because there was no incentive to do so. People sat around in coffee shops all day long complaining about how there are no jobs, while I worked and made my living. This was the main reason why I left Berlin... just the lack of motivation from people was discouraging.

    I just don't find the idea of working my ass off to support others to be such a great system. Hmm, different value systems, I guess.



    I don't understand what you mean, but I don't really care to have the explanation, either.
    If people don't want to work, it makes no sense to force them. People are stupid, why do you expect them to be hard-working?

    Both libertarianism and anarchism combine a centrist and a libertarian stance.

    Moderate libertarianism would be just as practicable as moderate anarchism. As a whole ideology moderate anarchism is just liberal socialism. People receive some welfare and it's just a democracy with less corporate interests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hommefatal View Post
    If people don't want to work, it makes no sense to force them. People are stupid, why do you expect them to be hard-working?

    Both libertarianism and anarchism combine a centrist and a libertarian stance.

    Moderate libertarianism would be just as practicable as moderate anarchism. As a whole ideology moderate anarchism is just liberal socialism. People receive some welfare and it's just a democracy with less corporate interests.
    You won't force people to work? How very laissez-faire of you... but yet you would force others to support them. Ok, I'm going back to bed. Someone else can argue this nonsensical point...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    With the amount of corruption in the world today, my personal opinion would be more control and more governmential influence. And a more direct influence on who governs what. As well as a better system for making the descisions that need to be made. Seems in order.

    Take away as much influence as possible, and the corruption would only grow. Criminal orginisations would flourish and grow out of control. And no amount of law would be able to prevent that. Unless you can promise that all the people running the law are all in fact just and unbiased. But you can't. There will be corruption there as well.

    The world would be divided between those who abuse, and those who are abused.

    Yeah, I have a pretty extreme black and white view on it. But should the world become libertarian and this is what happens. I'll be the first to say "I told you so.".
    This implies government is not corrupted, and always knows what to do, which I have found [albeit in my short time on this earth] not to be the case.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Dude View Post
    So, any Libertarians on here? Yes, please.
    Hello guy!
    I am one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    You know very well that you are speaking of 2 radical extremes on either end of the spectrum and are not being reasonable. You've completely missed the point. And I feel like you will deliberately continue to do so, so I'm not going to bother.
    I assumed you were joking with "if most crimes weren't crimes" insinuating lack of law to justify libertarism as a whole. :P
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