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    If power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely, then our political problem is how to limit power.

    And our solution is liberal democracy which is devoted to the limitation of power.

    And it is a solution that has worked in civilized countries for hundreds of years.

    It was liberal democracy that abolished institutional slavery for the first time in human history in 1833 in the House of Commons.

    And in the 20th Century it was liberal democracy that emancipated women.

    And in the last 15 years or so it was liberal democracy that first prosecuted child sexual abuse in the Criminal Courts.

    So it is liberal democracy that has successfully limited power over slaves, women and children.

    So may I suggest you take no notice at all of bogus Political Tests, and simply choose for yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laughingebony View Post
    In what sense are libertarians not tolerant?
    The problem is (extreme) libertarian economics don't work all that well because most people won't act reasonably and the state needs to do some regulation then. That's why many libertarians are more conservative than liberal on social issues. They support actions of the government telling the people to act reasonably rather than preventing bad actions. And libertarianism on both economics and social issues doesn't work because many people don't know how to act then.

    Complete libertarianism also means actions that are bad to everyone aren't prevented at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hommefatal View Post
    The problem is (extreme) libertarian economics don't work all that well because most people won't act reasonably and the state needs to do some regulation then. That's why many libertarians are more conservative than liberal on social issues. They support actions of the government telling the people to act reasonably rather than preventing bad actions. And libertarianism on both economics and social issues doesn't work because many people don't know how to act then.

    Complete libertarianism also means actions that are bad to everyone aren't prevented at all.
    This is a ridiculous argument. No "extreme" form of anything is going to work. Libertarians, as a whole, are not all conservative on social issues. And who are you to judge what is "good" or "bad" for another person? If people don't know "how to act" under Libertarianism, then does being a Democrat mean that all of a sudden they do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    This is a ridiculous argument. No "extreme" form of anything is going to work. Libertarians, as a whole, are not all conservative on social issues. And who are you to judge what is "good" or "bad" for another person? If people don't know "how to act" under Libertarianism, then does being a Democrat mean that all of a sudden they do?
    Libertarians mostly are socially liberal, yes. But either they're independent or they support the conservatives.

    They may certainly be liberal but it will never show. They're not going to take over politics.

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    I'm a libertarian with the Smith/Kant knowledge to back up why autonomy is superior to heteronomy.

    my brand of libertarianism is pretty radical though. for example, I think criminals should be able to "opt out" of the current system and have the option of being sent to a "no holds barred", lawless tpye penal community for one reason and one reason alone: A criminal born into this world did not get to pick the laws he/she has to live by. So not about liberty, and Not really fair - if a criminal wants a lawless world, they should be given one.

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    Why shouldn't there be some good and bad?
    If more than 50% agree to ban something it makes the world more peaceful.
    Imagine criminals wouldn't be imprisoned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hommefatal View Post
    Libertarians mostly are socially liberal, yes. But either they're independent or they support the conservatives.

    They may certainly be liberal but it will never show. They're not going to take over politics.
    First, I think you should define socially liberal, before we get into a whole thing.

    And no one ever said anything about taking over anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by hommefatal View Post
    Why shouldn't there be some good and bad?
    If more than 50% agree to ban something it makes the world more peaceful.
    Imagine criminals wouldn't be imprisoned.


    It's too early in the morning for this... but this is not a logical argument, and it makes no sense.

    It makes the world peaceful for that 51%. Imagine if women decided to ban men...

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    That's why you need to do a poll first to check if the proposition is reasonable.

    I don't criticise libertarianism as a theory but I dislike the way in which it is executed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hommefatal View Post
    That's why you need to do a poll first to check if the proposition is reasonable.

    I don't criticise libertarianism as a theory but I dislike the way in which it is executed.
    The question was whether or not libertarians are on this site... and it seems as if you disagree with it in theory, since it has yet to be executed in practice.

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    I'm no libertarian... Not in this world, I'm not. I don't have the amount of faith in humanity that is required to be a libertarian and realistically support what it stands for.
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