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    Quote Originally Posted by stellar renegade View Post
    Libertarian checking in here. If you want to pull me into the discussion, you can, but so far it's tl;dr for me.
    Awesome avatar. Cowboy bebop rules. You're a libertarian. Conclusion, you must be pretty cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    It's also much more susceptible to corruption and misrepresentation via districting. Rural interests tend to be very much overrepresented in state legislatures, and in a country that's 85% suburban and urban in population, that can be a serious problem.

    California is the worst offender in this department - the districting is such that you cannot win office unless you are a hard extremist on either side. The lack of consensus-building is a huge factor in the current fiscal crisis.

    Low turnout in statewide elections also often leads to legislators that do not resemble their full constituency, just the loudest interest group in that particular election. Not only that, but competence in governance can be an issue, as often the only requirement is an ability to raise a ton of cash within a certain community, while it's often difficult to get the necessary funding for national office if you don't meet certain standards (though not impossible, Houston congresspeople are notorious for being complete boobs).

    I think the argument for greater state control was stronger when it literally was impossible for the national government to control territory of that size - basically, before the telegraph. That being said, it never really manifested itself well anywhere - Machine States in the North, Single-Party Dictatorships in the South, and Corporate States (particularly the railroads) in the West. On the national level, ambition counters ambition enough to where it's much more difficult (though not impossible) for one interest group to gain control.
    Good argument. I think much of the problems with state governance would alleviate themselves if it had a higher profile in the media.

    I feel like the American political system could do with less puffery and more oversight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Awesome avatar. Cowboy bebop rules. You're a libertarian. Conclusion, you must be pretty cool.
    Well, score one for you for accuracy! I am pretty cool, in fact.

    Also, the avatar is by James Jean, done for the graphic novel series Fables by Bill Willingham and others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Good argument. I think much of the problems with state governance would alleviate themselves if it had a higher profile in the media.

    I feel like the American political system could do with less puffery and more oversight.
    Sorry to keep being disagreeable, but you know, that's what I do.

    Unfortunately, the media follows demand. There is generally very little demand for information on state government outside of interested parties, generally because most people would find endless discussions of mineral rights policies for a 10 square mile plot of land in the middle of BFE to be frightfully boring. Not only that, but you aren't going to find too many huge scandals, like the Sanford or Spitzer scandals, in state politics because everyone's so far in bed with each other that no one wants to rock the boat, lest they risk their own hide.

    Strangely to say, the puffery is the oversight. Congress overlooks the administration through grandstanding and pointing out problems with their policy, while the Executive Branch does the same through its bloviation. The Supreme Court checks both of them when they're being overly stupid, and the other two branches check them by having ridiculous confirmation fights. Yes, this is why I love politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Awesome avatar. Cowboy bebop rules. You're a libertarian. Conclusion, you must be pretty cool.
    Since sarcasm is difficult to detect on the internet, I'm just going to assume that this comment comes from an honest place. That being said, I agree with it.
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