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    Default Robert McNamara has died

    The man who served as secretary of defence during the Cuban missile crisis has died age 93. He was a truly great man and I think perhaps since I watched the fog of war I have thought of him as being one of my heros (because of some of the jobs he has held as well as how he executed them).

    BBC NEWS | Americas | Obituary: Robert McNamara

    I'm interested to know what personality type he was. Does anyone have any opinions? I'd like to think he was an INTJ, but I could be 'projecting'.

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    I heard this on NPR earlier today. I hope to go into politics one day, and Mcnamara was always a figure that fascinated me. I watched the Fog of War a year or so ago (an absolutely phenomenal documentary) and one of the things that I was struck by was the absolute ambiguity of the man. It's difficult to articulate, but it was like seeing a man who embodied the Republican ideal, a man who sacrificed his sense of personal morality (or soul for that matter) for the good of his country. In both the documentary and his writing theres this push-pull between remorse and justification/obfuscation. I don't agree with a lot of what he did, but he was without a doubt a brilliant mind and a major architect of the 20th century.

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    He was definitely an enigma, and someone I would have loved to question relentlessly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ed111 View Post
    but I could be 'projecting'.
    i friggin hate it when they suggest that to us..... as if!

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    He was a product of the time where we truly thought humanity's problems could be solved through technology, and a blazing warning of the limitations of that mindset. Truly one of our best and brightest, but not one of our wisest until after the war.

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    Don't think positively about the man quite frankly.

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    And I appreciate your frankness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Don't think positively about the man quite frankly.
    Nor should you probably. Hes still pretty fascinating though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nozflubber View Post
    i friggin hate it when they suggest that to us..... as if!
    I don't like the suggestion, but I think it is something I'm guilty of, which is why I'd appreciate other's opinions on his type.

    My reasoning is that he has described himself as a rational person, he was very focussed on academic success, he was a pragmatist, was not afraid of making difficult decisions, was able to do some terrible things for what he saw was the greater good and was able to reflect and admit he was wrong (something that is not always associated with INTJ, but nevertheless we do it)!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Don't think positively about the man quite frankly.
    I think it's important to remember two things about him. Firstly, he acted as he saw fit based upon the information at the time (upon reflection he regretted some of his actions and things often seem easier in hind sight). Nevertheless, through very difficult times, the US avoided all out war with the USSR.

    During his time as president of Ford, he was the first to introduce safety features into cars. After his tenure as secretary of defence ended, he devoted his life to helping poorer nations and to nuclear disarmament.

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