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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    Sounds like perfect Darwinism to me. Let all of the idiots starve if they can't find a way to fend for themselves, and let the smart ones prosper. Jeez, I never knew you were so agreeable .
    Do you even work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Do you even work?
    Do you even matter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    Do you even matter?
    Enough to pay my own taxes.

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    The very idea that the "smartest" people can afford the best health care already is preposterous. There are educated middle-class people who can't afford health insurance because of a pre-existing condition, or serious illness. Many mentally ill people have above average IQs, but they don't function too well without their meds. Some people think that Albert Einstein was bipolar. Rich doesn't = smart by any means, and to test that theory, lets examine the fact that some of the highest paid people in this country are sports stars and entertainers and not teachers and professors. Of course, teachers get health insurance because they're working a government job. Ahem.

    It's true that people have better health care in socialist nations. Period. However, if the US adopts universal health care it doesn't mean that we're a socialist nation, either.

    I've noticed that many people who have these arrogant opinions about who deserves what are sheltered to begin with and have never actually been confronted with the reality of actually having to work hard for a living, mainly because they're parents funded everything they needed until they graduated of college. That isn't proof of your superiority, it's just proof that you've been sheltered from reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    I've noticed that many people who have these arrogant opinions about who deserves what are sheltered to begin with and have never actually been confronted with the reality of actually having to work hard for a living, mainly because they're parents funded everything they needed until they graduated of college. That isn't proof of your superiority, it's just proof that you've been sheltered from reality.
    My experience has actually been pretty opposite actually, but anecdotal experience is anecdotal. Those of my peers who have been very privileged tend to carry that sense of entitlement with them once they hit the "real world," and don't have an appreciation or understanding of what it takes to create the wealth they were exposed to.

    That being said, I'm one of the view "conservatives" that thinks our current system is broken and a privatized system is not inherently better than a socialized one. I look at Canada vs. US and see pros and cons of both.



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    Mm dunno, here we have universal healthcare and works pretty good, and from what I hear the healthcare in the US is shit, so I can just say:

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    The current system raises the ceiling on health care, but what proponents don't mention is that it also lowers the floor. The exorbitant health coverage for the few does little to comfort the struggling many.
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    We have socialized security guards, socialized food testers, and socialized disaster relief.............why not socialized health care.


    I do think that those who eat excessive fatty foods, smoke cigz, and live an overall unhealthy lifestyle ought to compensate for the extra expense........unburden the system.

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    It's no secret that the system needs fixing. HOW to fix it is the main problem.

    I have friends in England who have National Health Care available to them but when they've gotten sick or had a toothache, they got an appointment for 2 weeks down the road. Some people don't HAVE 2 weeks to wait.

    I guess that's one way to thin out the population. [/sarcasm]

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    Quote Originally Posted by avolkiteshvara View Post
    I do think that those who eat excessive fatty foods, smoke cigz, and live an overall unhealthy lifestyle ought to compensate for the extra expense........unburden the system.
    I agree. The eating thing might too hard to determine to use as a personal for penalty. Drug use, however, is much more clean cut, so that's open season. Naturally, as many countries currently do, various elective procedures should also not be covered by the universal healthcare system.

    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    I have friends in England who have National Health Care available to them but when they've gotten sick or had a toothache, they got an appointment for 2 weeks down the road. Some people don't HAVE 2 weeks to wait.
    How about that? I'm in Pennsylvania, and I know exactly what you're talking about. My appointments seem to usually be 4 weeks ahead. 2 weeks sounds nice. I got Lyme's disease a few weeks ago, obviously I couldn't wait 2 weeks, but that means I couldn't wait 4 weeks either. So in my experience, delays are already a big part of the healthcare system here. I don't think it says much about theirs.
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