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    Quote Originally Posted by Modern Nomad View Post
    It will be impossible for a non-democratic regime to be the hegemonic leader of the free world.
    Dude... We're not talking about "Life Ambitions" from The Sims 3.


    BTW. "The Free World" is an American Cold War term. Who gets to decide what's "free" and what's not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falcarius View Post
    What has being a ''dominating superpower'' got to do with the standard of living in a country?
    How can it not? The days of domination through military might, alone, are over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YourLocalJesus View Post
    Dude... We're not talking about "Life Ambitions" from The Sims 3.


    BTW. "The Free World" is an American Cold War term. Who gets to decide what's "free" and what's not?
    never played sims 3. but it sounds fun. =D

    i guess who gets to decide whats free and what's not is the people. =)

    having a mobile middle class, by definition means that they have more economic and political rights. if you can name a system that allows for a powerful middle class (that can take up a majority of society) outside of a democratic system, I am all ears.

    wow. never typed politics while buzzed before. lolz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    How can it not? The days of domination through military might, alone, are over.


    Isn't the whole definition of a superpower, a country that can influence and project power on a worldwide scale?

    If so, how is the 'standard of living' of a nation going to project a nation's power on a dominate worldwide scale? For example, a rather insignificant nation in terms of political power like Switzerland has arguably a higher standard of living than the current and only superpower today but it could not project extrinsic power even if it wanted to come out of the mountains; could it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    The days of domination through military might, alone, are over.
    Yes, the days of the military empire are over.

    Just as the days of the theocratic empire are over.

    And the days of the territorial empire are over.

    We are now in the days of the mercantile empire.

    And the aim of any mercantile empire is to own and control the reserve currency of the world.

    And of course we have, merely as a subset of a mercantile empire, a strong military, a strong religion and large territory. These old remnants of older empires are helpful to a mercantile empire but are only incidental.

    Oz is a mercantile country but alas we neither own nor control the reserve currency of the world.

    This is left to our friend and ally the United States of America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falcarius View Post


    Isn't the whole definition of a superpower, a country that can influence and project power on a worldwide scale?

    If so, how is the 'standard of living' of a nation going to project a nation's power on a dominate worldwide scale? For example, a rather insignificant nation in terms of political power like Switzerland has arguably a higher standard of living than the current and only superpower today but it could not project extrinsic power even if it wanted to come out of the mountains; could it?
    How many Swiss are there again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    How many Swiss are there again?
    Irrelevant.

    The Spanish & Portugese split the world in two.

    The British controlled India with less than 20'000 footsoldiers.

    Power is military, economic and political. But on it's own, each is worthless.

    Switzerland is a good example of a small country doing very well for itself, thank you. Don't let it's cosy Alpine setting fool you. They're armed to the teeth and very capable soldiers. It comes with the terrain.

    They talk softly but carry big sticks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bananatrombones View Post
    Irrelevant.

    The Spanish & Portugese split the world in two.

    The British controlled India with less than 20'000 footsoldiers.

    Power is military, economic and political. But on it's own, each is worthless.

    Switzerland is a good example of a small country doing very well for itself, thank you. Don't let it's cosy Alpine setting fool you. They're armed to the teeth and very capable soldiers. It comes with the terrain.

    They talk softly but carry big sticks.
    Yes.

    Switzerland probably is the most militaristic country of Europe. Both men and women can be called to military service, and gun culture is omnipresent in several rural "cantons", which train their own permanent armed militias.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    Switzerland probably is the most militaristic country of Europe.
    By far.

    It's just they don't project it. They chose to project their "safe hands" credentials.

    In many ways they are the most successful of European democracies.

    The fact that Switzerland still exist (with it's population of 8 million) is quite miraculous.

    The strategy against German invasion in WWII was a long game of attrition.

    Long games of attrition tend to work very well for the underdog. Think: Iran.

    Don't knock the Swiss, they just might knock you back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    Yes.

    Switzerland probably is the most militaristic country of Europe. Both men and women can be called to military service, and gun culture is omnipresent in several rural "cantons", which train their own permanent armed militias.
    Once I saw a statistic that shows a number of soldiers on every 1000 citizens and Switzerlabd was/is clearly more militarized then other european countries.

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