User Tag List

First 34567 Last

Results 41 to 50 of 124

  1. #41
    Oberon
    Guest

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    It was a good description of modern capitalism, Victor.

    It is a deplorable philosophy.
    Capitalism a philosophy? No.

    Capitalism is an economic system founded on the concept of private property.

    Beware of category error. It precludes accurate conclusions.

  2. #42
    Senior Member matmos's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    MBTI
    NICE
    Posts
    1,721

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    Capitalism a philosophy? No.

    Capitalism is an economic system founded on the concept of private property.

    Beware of category error. It precludes accurate conclusions.
    A contentious point?

    The Decline of the West - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

  3. #43
    Senior Member avolkiteshvara's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    MBTI
    YaYa
    Posts
    895

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by BallentineChen View Post
    If the republican system is supposed to prevent tyranny through jamming all factions against each other, I could see how capitalism could supply individuals with non-violent means of competing with each other.
    Isn't republican system and capitalism the same, free market. People compete for scarce resources both by the market and by force. Let everyone fight for the scraps.

    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post

    Socialism is good. Capitalism is bad.
    Capitalism is good. Socialism is bad.
    Blah blah.
    WORD!

    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    So how interesting and how odd that an economic system has usurped the proper place of religion.
    Yeah, it really is the new religion.

    I am not sure what was being argued to be honest..........human baseline condition is pure savagery so we need individuals to independently think and create a soceity that fosters good?

    Ummm kay I suppose I agree.

    Capitalism benefits the world as a whole? Sometimes. I could debate both sides of this one.

    As wildcat said........blah blah blah.

  4. #44
    ^He pronks, too! Magic Poriferan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    MBTI
    Yin
    Enneagram
    One sx/sp
    Posts
    13,909

    Default

    This is so simplified and so full of assumed premises that I'm overwhelmed.

    Also, I think good and evil are silly words.
    Go to sleep, iguana.


    _________________________________
    INTP. Type 1>6>5. sx/sp.
    Live and let live will just amount to might makes right

  5. #45
    Member cheerful-pessimist's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    MBTI
    ENtJ
    Enneagram
    8w4
    Socionics
    ENTj
    Posts
    46

    Default

    This article seemed to be grasping a little bit to me. I wholeheartedly agree that the decline in violence is a direct result of education availability, but whether or not this is directly related to liberal capitalism is... debatable. It could be argued that, with the recent upward trend of progress, education would have had to become more widespread regardless of economic systems. Simply having a social system is always a good step as well. I don't think even purely socialistic/capitalistic systems could be compared to the barbaric tribes that came before real organized government, and I don't understand why this article kept mentioning "tribes" at all. The size of the government itself is also a factor, again regardless of the system.

    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Socialism is good. Capitalism is bad.
    Capitalism is good. Socialism is bad.
    Blah blah.

    They are both bad.
    A mixture of them is less than bad, though.
    To win is to lose.
    This is true. Pure socialism is communism, and we all know how that worked out. Pure capitalism leads to monopolies and the like, which leads to the conditions workers had to endure during the Industrial Revolution. Neither is conducive to a decline in violence. A happy medium must be reached, but even that may not directly affect peace and safety. Look at America: our cities have their dangerous parts, and we are absurdly concerned about our personal possessions. My friends often lament the loss of values we see in many people. Does this have to do with the government? Maybe, but it may be our value system as well. Many Asian countries aren't that bad, but they seem to be getting worse as their governments shift between systems and their values become more "Westernized." But that's more of a personal opinion than a proven fact.
    "Yet, the right act
    Is less, far less, than the right-thinking mind.
    Seek refuge in thy soul; have there thy heaven!"

  6. #46
    Senior Member wildcat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    MBTI
    INTP
    Posts
    3,619

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    Capitalism a philosophy? No.

    Capitalism is an economic system founded on the concept of private property.

    Beware of category error. It precludes accurate conclusions.
    I said: Modern capitalism.

    At the outset capitalism was a philosophy of labour.
    However, it turned out to be a philosophy of greed.

    Philosophy is about wisdom.
    Wisdom is about sight only.
    Sight is subjective.

  7. #47
    Permabanned
    Join Date
    May 2009
    MBTI
    ISFP
    Enneagram
    6w7 sx
    Socionics
    SEE Fi
    Posts
    25,301

    Default

    Unrestrained capitalism was ugly in the early days. People died in factories, were trapped in coal camps forced to buy through the company store with scrip rather than actual pay, and child labor was not uncommon (I'm talking about eight year olds, not teenagers.) Early capitalism was white slavery and many people died because of it. It does not make us better people. We've become more civilized as we've moved away from laissez-faire.

  8. #48
    Order Now! pure_mercury's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    MBTI
    ESFJ
    Posts
    6,946

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Unrestrained capitalism was ugly in the early days. People died in factories, were trapped in coal camps forced to buy through the company store with scrip rather than actual pay, and child labor was not uncommon (I'm talking about eight year olds, not teenagers.) Early capitalism was white slavery and many people died because of it. It does not make us better people. We've become more civilized as we've moved away from laissez-faire.

    Early industrial capitalism was a godsend for people who were slaves or subsistence farmers before that. Don't believe the hype.
    Who wants to try a bottle of merc's "Extroversion Olive Oil?"

  9. #49
    mountain surfing nomadic's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    MBTI
    enfp
    Posts
    1,709

    Default

    When it comes to discussions like this, it will probably be more helpful to be more specific.

    "capitalism", is a system that has been around before adam smith and the industrial revolution. look at the silk road, the middle east, centers of trade, even written about in the bible.

    capitalism in the industrial revolution sense, has made people more productive, has made the merchant class a more respectable class.

    capitalism in its unbridled form does lead to less competitive environments in many situations. there is no incentive for a monopolist to lower entry barriers and to increase consumer surplus without competition. capitalism does not necessarily lead to competitive markets.

    so, im not sure if most people would define "better" as being "more productive". most people would associate "better" with some degree of moral maturity, personality, etc... if someone called me "better" just bc i started working more and making more money, than i rather they just say "hey, you can buy me dinner now!" haha.

  10. #50
    Permabanned
    Join Date
    May 2009
    MBTI
    ISFP
    Enneagram
    6w7 sx
    Socionics
    SEE Fi
    Posts
    25,301

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Early industrial capitalism was a godsend for people who were slaves or subsistence farmers before that. Don't believe the hype.
    Err...actually....African slavery was a huge component of early capitalism, as was subsistance farming well into the mid-20th century. I agree with the person above me: Capitalism began long before Adam Smith. It was a way for early "explorers" to capture, steal, and dominate the lands of other people. It virtually destroyed any and all Native American culture. 19th century capitalism was, in fact, white slavery. It was an excuse to work a certain class of people to death just because they were there. Don't believe the hype? Capitalism as we now know it in it's much more effective and "fair" state is actually a product of blending capitalism with socialism.

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 96
    Last Post: 07-13-2011, 12:25 PM
  2. Is Facebook making us sad?
    By William K in forum General Psychology
    Replies: 74
    Last Post: 02-01-2011, 01:34 AM
  3. How good software makes us stupid
    By Xander in forum Science, Technology, and Future Tech
    Replies: 44
    Last Post: 09-28-2010, 01:24 AM
  4. to all history teachers that make us learn dates
    By prplchknz in forum The Bonfire
    Replies: 39
    Last Post: 09-24-2010, 09:56 AM
  5. Do we make soceity or does Soceity make us?
    By SparklingImpediments in forum General Psychology
    Replies: 30
    Last Post: 09-09-2008, 12:26 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO