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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    In terms of left/right values in the modern day US:

    Left - secularism, rationality, equality of opportunity, science, academics, personal freedoms, intellectualism, mixed markets, diplomacy

    Right - religion, tradition, family, decisiveness, capitalism, steadfastness, militaristic foreign policy, restrictive social policy

    Also wrong. Many of those aspects are transitory, and both sides restrict both personal and economic freedoms. You're being simple-minded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Also wrong. Many of those aspects are transitory, and both sides restrict both personal and economic freedoms. You're being simple-minded.
    How are the aspects being transitory relevant? I'm not saying they are permanent, in fact, the Left used to be the champions of free-markets. These are tendencies, look at the bigger picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    How are the aspects being transitory relevant? I'm not saying they are permanent, in fact, the Left used to be the champions of free-markets. These are tendencies, look at the bigger picture.

    If we're really talking about VALUES, then we should be talking about principles, right? You seem to be talking about tendencies that are inconstant.
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    Seriously inconstant. In fact, with the exception of one or two, these are all tactics. Tactics that once successfully used by one side, get co-opted by the other.

    Personally I find it sad that I have to choose between evangelicalism and socialism. Where is John Galt?
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    Depends on how one defines "Right" and "Left". It often changes according to not only country but even time period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiver View Post
    Seriously inconstant. In fact, with the exception of one or two, these are all tactics. Tactics that once successfully used by one side, get co-opted by the other.

    Personally I find it sad that I have to choose between evangelicalism and socialism. Where is John Galt?

    Idaho, I'm willing to bet.
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    I wish he were in South Carolina. It's got the beach and is a lot closer to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiver View Post
    I wish he were in South Carolina. It's got the beach and is a lot closer to me.
    I see Galt as a mountains/skiing/ranch type of guy. Maybe New Hampshire?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    If we're really talking about VALUES, then we should be talking about principles, right? You seem to be talking about tendencies that are inconstant.
    The left/right split wasn't founded with specific principles. It originally referred to the seating arrangements of parliament in France. The monarchists, clergy, and aristocrats who sat on the right had certain values and positions, and the people seated on the left were the reformists who opposed traditional hierarchies.

    Now the left/right movements are very different, but some of the basic tendencies of the original left/right can be seen. Like tradition vs. reform.

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    Yes. You're probably right. Although SC has better weather. Could you see him deep sea fishing?
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