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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Right: Life isn't fair and it never will be. You have to prove yourself.

    Left: Everyone is the best at everything. Life isn't fair...waaaaah. If someone succeeds, they must be corrupt.

    Let's be fair. The corrupt on the Right are all about rigging the game so they don't have to compete on a level playing field. There are plenty of politicians and businessmen who are Johnny Capitalisms until their companies/constituents suffer in the competition.
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    The corrupt &/or reckless.
    Quote Originally Posted by pippi View Post
    Fiver is correct, it is freeing to not have to impress someone, to be accepted for who you really are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Let's be fair. The corrupt on the Right are all about rigging the game so they don't have to compete on a level playing field. There are plenty of politicians and businessmen who are Johnny Capitalisms until their companies/constituents suffer in the competition.
    Yup. It's pretty complex.


    Another thing to keep in mind is that none of us paid for the infrastructure and social capital that we inherent as part of our lifestyle. For all intents and purposes, we are not entitled to even a hut in the woods. A large part of the philosophy of the left is that everyone deserves that equal chance that has been built up by previous generations.

    I actually agree with this, fundamentally... but the issue is that we need to continue to contribute to future generations too, so that they can benefit. The only problem is that there is very little incentive to do so, and the incentives that 'work out' tend to be more libertarian and conservative. This makes it very difficult to balance out.

    Of course, there is a lot to be said now about sustainability and future inheritance. The world cannot support the Western lifestyle as it currently exists, not if we want all people to have a level playing field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Let's be fair. The corrupt on the Right are all about rigging the game so they don't have to compete on a level playing field. There are plenty of politicians and businessmen who are Johnny Capitalisms until their companies/constituents suffer in the competition.
    I was being facetious because of the slant of the previous answers.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I was being facetious because of the slant of the previous answers.

    Didn't anyone ever tell you that excessive facetiousness can give you hairy palms and make you go blind?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    The left hopes to change the very nature of man for its own good (progressives), while the right prefers to prevent the current situation from constantly deteriorating (conservatives).

    The two points of view are necessary to balance democracy.
    This. Anything more is over-extending definitions imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I was being facetious because of the slant of the previous answers.
    Of course the answers had slant. Isn't that the point of a conversation?
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    Fiver is correct, it is freeing to not have to impress someone, to be accepted for who you really are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiver View Post
    Of course the answers had slant. Isn't that the point of a conversation?
    Would it make you happier if I sent a draft of my posts to you?
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    I thought you were slamming the previous answers for coming from a particular point of view. Did I misunderstand?
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    Fiver is correct, it is freeing to not have to impress someone, to be accepted for who you really are.

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    In terms of left/right values in the modern day US:

    Left - secularism, rationality, equality of opportunity, science, academics, personal freedoms, intellectualism, mixed markets, diplomacy

    Right - religion, tradition, family, decisiveness, capitalism, steadfastness, militaristic foreign policy, restrictive social policy

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