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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangirl View Post
    I don't believe AGW is occuring, and I'm not a Christian conservative. I'm a universal healthcare loving, tiny carbon footprint-having Canadian.
    I think something like 98% of climatologists were found to agree that human activity is a significant factor in rising mean temperatures. It's clear where science stands on the issue. What would it take for you to believe AGW is occurring? The evidence is there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    I think something like 98% of climatologists were found to agree that human activity is a significant factor in rising mean temperatures.
    Setting aside the crackpots, you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    Setting aside the crackpots, you mean?
    Most of the crackpots on this issue surprisingly have little or no formal training.

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    It's clear where science stands on the issue. What would it take for you to believe AGW is occurring? The evidence is there.
    From what I've read/learned on the subject, I simply don't think it *is* clear where the science stands, nor do I think its been proven. That's why I currently don't believe AGW is occuring. Often when I have discussions on this subject with people who disagree with me I find a large part of my argument boils down to the old correlation does not = causation bit.

    Also, related to what Oberon talked about earlier, I think climate science is a very new field, and it's simply far too early to be coming to any conclusions. I don't believe we know anything like enough about climate in general to be able say "global warming is 100% occuring and it is the fault of human beings."

    There ARE educated, serious people who don't believe AGW is happening. It's not true that there is a solid consensus - there is a majority, I believe (and that's not enough for me to accept something as 'proven' - not even close), but not what I would call a consensus.

    People on both sides might be interested in this site: Climate Debate Daily (it gathers up and links to the best articles - believers in the column on the left, non believers in the right)
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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    Setting aside the crackpots, you mean?
    And who would they be? You can always accuse just enough scientists of being crackpots to make it appear as though there's no "real" consensus. But the discriminating observer would ask on what basis would you accuse someone of being a so-called crackpot.
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    How can anyone deny what 98% of scientists are finding to be accurate? I think it's safe to say that a lot of us here really don't know a whole lot of what we're talking about. I know I had argued a little about Global Warming, but the fact that humans are contributing a lot to it, is undeniable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangirl View Post
    From what I've read/learned on the subject, I simply don't think it *is* clear where the science stands, nor do I think its been proven. That's why I currently don't believe AGW is occuring. Often when I have discussions on this subject with people who disagree with me I find a large part of my argument boils down to the old correlation does not = causation bit.

    Also, related to what Oberon talked about earlier, I think climate science is a very new field, and it's simply far too early to be coming to any conclusions. I don't believe we know anything like enough about climate in general to be able say "global warming is 100% occuring and it is the fault of human beings."

    There ARE educated, serious people who don't believe AGW is happening. It's not true that there is a solid consensus - there is a majority, I believe (and that's not enough for me to accept something as 'proven' - not even close), but not what I would call a consensus.

    People on both sides might be interested in this site: Climate Debate Daily (it gathers up and links to the best articles - believers on the left, non believers on the right)
    I guess, whether you see it as man-made or not, the more pertinent question is, are you against greenhouse gas emissions controls and regulation? Would a potential negative economic effect of that outweigh positive environmental effects?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWithSoul View Post
    How can anyone deny what 98% of scientists are finding to be accurate?
    You mean, like 98 percent of doctors once thought that bleeding a patient was an efficacious treatment for illness?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    You mean, like 98 percent of doctors once thought that bleeding a patient was an efficacious treatment for illness?
    Going against 98% of climatologists is fine, but do you have any clue why you are siding with the 2%?

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    are you against greenhouse gas emissions controls and regulation? Would a potential negative economic effect of that outweigh positive environmental effects?
    Depends, although I would say I am generally not in favour. "Positive environmental effects" is a pretty wide category - I have no problem regulating industry if they're, for example, pumping dioxins into a river. Negative economic effects should, imo, always be weighed against positive environmental effects (global warming or not), and decisions should be made based on the specific situation.

    but do you have any clue why you are siding with the 2%?
    Assuming your numbers are right for the sake of argument, I'll say that I've read the opinions of people on both sides of this issue and I am simply unconvinced its been proven that AGW is occuring. It's that simple, for me (I realize you were asking Oberon).
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