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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post

    I'm simply unconvinced that humans are to blame for it.
    Out of curiousity, what would it take for you to be convinced otherwise, given that you seem to have rejected scientific consensus from some of the brightest minds on the planet?
    ...so much smoke pouring out of each chromosome.

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    I'm not going to take global warming alarmists seriously until their climate models can accurately predict the future. Consensus or not, they still fail at this which leads me to the conclusion that their models are wrong.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I'm not going to take global warming alarmists seriously until their climate models can accurately predict the future. Consensus or not, they still fail at this which leads me to the conclusion that their models are wrong.
    The problem with this is the time scale needed to make a prediction. It is difficult to identify climate trends in the span of 10 years. Climate models have always been descriptive, not predictive, and I think current understanding of the science isn't really there yet. Just look at the 70's and the "ZOMG GLOBAL COOLING SCARE! ICE AGE IMMINENT" fiasco.

    By the time a climate model has been around enough to make an accurate prediction, you're going to have a new model that says it can make a better one as the science gets better, so you'll need more time, etc.

    Personally, and I suppose this is naive of me, I'd rather take care of problems like world hunger, wars, and other such human issues instead of combating a climate change that would have happened eventually anyways.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    The problem with this is the time scale needed to make a prediction. It is difficult to identify climate trends in the span of 10 years.
    I don't think we should be making public policy decisions based on a phenomenon we not only don't understand, but can't even predict.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I'm not going to take global warming alarmists seriously until their climate models can accurately predict the future. Consensus or not, they still fail at this which leads me to the conclusion that their models are wrong.
    What kind of accuracy are you looking for? The ability to predict a year into the future? More?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I don't think we should be making public policy decisions based on a phenomenon we not only don't understand, but can't even predict.
    Time to fire all economists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Time to fire all economists.
    Except for the ones I listen to . But the only reason they've been right is because they're crazy *rolls eyes*....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    How would you guys comment this?





    This is a picture of arctic ice cap in autumn 2008. There is so little ice that you can sail around the cap. Since it has no connection with continents. What is very good indicator of changes.
    Roald Amundsen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Historic Naval Ships Visitors Guide - RCMPV St. Roch
    everyone uses every function about evenly. take NE for example. if there are those who don't use it much, then why are there such massive amounts of people constantly flowing through Wallmart with 20 items or less?

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    http://www.space.com/images/h_radars..._082100_03.jpg
    Lookin good as usual. This one must have been one of the rare ones takin during the spring time that seems to be alluded due to it being an inconvenient truth
    everyone uses every function about evenly. take NE for example. if there are those who don't use it much, then why are there such massive amounts of people constantly flowing through Wallmart with 20 items or less?

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    Quote Originally Posted by professor goodstain View Post
    http://www.space.com/images/h_radars..._082100_03.jpg
    Lookin good as usual. This one must have been one of the rare ones takin during the spring time that seems to be alluded due to it being an inconvenient truth

    I was just waiting how long it will tke for something like this to appear.
    But I don't buy the argument. Maybe you have even proved my point. And here is why.


    Amundsen after a long and "epic" struggle managed to get through.

    From your link.

    During this time Amundsen learned from the local Netsilik people about Arctic survival skills that would later prove useful. For example, he learned to use sled dogs and to wear animal skins in lieu of heavy, woolen parkas. After a third winter trapped in the ice, Amundsen was able to navigate a passage into the Beaufort Sea after which he cleared into the Bering Strait, thus having successfully navigated the Northwest Passage.[3]
    And now take a look at "my" picture. The ice has retreated hundereds of miles from northern coast of N.America.

    When I said that you can sail around the cap I ment that you can make a circle around it. Since in 2008 the russian side was ice free as well.


    As for your picture. Do you know what is seasonal variation ?

    The main reason why media give so much contradictory information is because they don't understand this process. Same works for public.

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