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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    This is called Nihilism.
    And the logic of Nihilism leads to torture.
    Why? Even if values don't exist in nature, we can manufacture them through mutual agreement. The motivation is self interest. If you agree not to torture my people, I'll agree not to torture yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    I often disagree with you, Victor, but this is not one of those times.

    Nihilism is the logic of death, and by definition torture has no place among civilized men.
    By presenting a simple statement of personal preference instead of evidence, aren't you conceding that intrinsic values do not exist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangirl View Post
    That said, I'm gonna agree with Victor and Oberon. I don't buy the moral relativism argument.
    But can is there proof that absolute values exist? An act feels right to one person, but it feels wrong to another. Since there is no objective way to resolve the disagreement, it can only follow that truth is relative when it comes to values.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not_Me View Post
    By the same reasoning, do you believe that those who approve of killing for any reasons, should be killed?
    It's not the same reasoning because torture and murder are two different things. And I don't approve of murder, either, for the record.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrME View Post
    It's not the same reasoning because torture and murder are two different things.
    The mechanics differ, but the same principle applies.

    And I don't approve of murder, either, for the record.
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    By definition, murder is an unjustified killing, so it is impossible to approve of murder. But not all killings are unjustified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not_Me View Post
    The mechanics differ, but the same principle applies.
    One seeks to keep a person alive in agony for an indefinite amount of time. The other seeks to end somebody's life. I'd say there's a fair amount of difference aside from just "mechanics."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Not_Me View Post
    By presenting a simple statement of personal preference instead of evidence, aren't you conceding that intrinsic values do not exist?
    No, I make no such concession... I simply don't address that philosphical concern in my reply to Victor.

    Nor do I address it in my reply to you.

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