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    Quote Originally Posted by MrME View Post
    Torture for the Bush administration was tantamount to vengeance.
    Yes, it was George Orwell who said -

    "The purpose of torture is torture".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiltyred View Post
    War is honorable but torture is ... ungentlemanly.
    War isn't honorable when you have a fighter plane with missiles and the opponent has a gun. It's reverse terrorism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    The Universal Declaration of Human Rights is not a means to an end. It is a statement of who we are.
    If you believe that, then you cannot believe in military defense. Otherwise, how to you reconcile the fact that we accept that it's OK to inflict excruciating pain and damage on an enemy as required to achieve our objectives.

    This is not a practical problem. It is a moral problem.
    There are no intrinsic moral values. Values exist only through mutual agreement. Agreements are pointless unless they serve a practical purpose.

    In other words, all moral principles aim to address practical problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrME View Post
    Those who approve of torture as an interrogation device should be put through a few waterboarding rounds themselves.
    By the same reasoning, do you believe that those who approve of killing for any reasons, should be killed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangirl View Post
    I'm interested in the thoughts of people who would be willing to condone torture re: it's demonstrated lack of reliability. Under what circumstances do you think it's OK to torture someone?
    I would agree to refrain from all use of torture under all scenarios if the other side would do the same.

    That's why torturing ruthless terrorists doesn't seem so bad. These are not random people picked off the streets on suspicion alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    War isn't honorable when you have a fighter plane with missiles and the opponent has a gun. It's reverse terrorism.
    By this logic, if a COP has a gun and a rapist only has a knife, do you believe the former should arm the latter before attempting to arrest him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not_Me View Post
    There are no intrinsic moral values.
    This is called Nihilism.

    And the logic of Nihilism leads to torture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    This is called Nihilism.

    And the logic of Nihilism leads to torture.
    I often disagree with you, Victor, but this is not one of those times.

    Nihilism is the logic of death, and by definition torture has no place among civilized men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    Nihilism is the logic of death...
    Sure, and that is why the SS wore the Death's Head on their uniforms.

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    I would agree to refrain from all use of torture under all scenarios if the other side would do the same.

    That's why torturing ruthless terrorists doesn't seem so bad. These are not random people picked off the streets on suspicion alone.
    Thanks for responding thoughtfully, Not Me. I don't agree with you completely but it's a good point. How would those who oppose torture, in all its forms and in all cases, propose we deal with enemies who are willing to anything and everything up to killing innocent civilians and themselves?

    That said, I'm gonna agree with Victor and Oberon. I don't buy the moral relativism argument.

    This is a difficult issue, though. I still feel like if I was the president of a country and torture was presented to me as the last resort and only possible option to save innocent lives, even a flimsy last resort, I would feel hard pressed *not* to choose to do it. I think. And at the same time there's still something in me that just *feels* it's wrong.
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