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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Reconciliation is allowed. And the country wants this health care reform, so this is putting country first.
    Again recycling an old point, if 70%+ of Americans want health care, then there shouldn't be a problem in getting it past.

    One of the reasons they want to pass it now and as soon as they can is because they expect to lose seats in congress both the house and the senate.

    What does that tell you on their predictions on the people's support for such?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cogdecree View Post
    Again recycling an old point, if 70%+ of Americans want health care, then there shouldn't be a problem in getting it past.

    One of the reasons they want to pass it now and as soon as they can is because they expect to lose seats in congress botht he house and the senate.

    What does that tell you on their predictions on the people's support for such?
    They won't have a problem getting it past, reconciliation is just faster. No they don't expect to lose seats. Obama has super high approval ratings, and Democrats continue to poll much better than Republicans.

    You're raising all these weird points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    They won't have a problem getting it past, reconciliation is just faster. No they don't expect to lose seats. Obama has super high approval ratings, and Democrats continue to poll much better than Republicans.

    You're raising all these weird points.
    Like all presidents his ratings have drop (he is still easily over 50% though), congress has a lot lower approval rating than Obama, the gap is almost nonexistant, and the fear of losing seats is present.

    Also reconciliation is potentially less democratic, my point is that it is a bad precedent to leave. For some reason I can't image you supporting such a method (not the bill itself but the way it is going through) if it was a republican agenda going through like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cogdecree View Post
    Like all presidents his ratings have drop (he is still easily over 50% though), congress has a lot lower approval rating than Obama, the gap is almost nonexistant, and the fear of losing seats is present.

    Also reconciliation is potentially less democratic, my point is that it is a bad precedent to leave. For some reason I can't image you supporting such an action if it was a republican agenda going through like this.
    If you really think Republicans are going to come back in the next elections, they'll get their turn soon enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    If you really think Republicans are going to come back in the next elections, they'll get their turn soon enough.
    Fair enough, though, I don't believe they will come back to a point where they can pass their own bills, but that they will have enough numbers to force a little bit of bipartisan legislation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cogdecree View Post
    Fair enough, though, I don't believe they will come back to a point where they can pass their own bills, but that they will have enough numbers to force a little bit of bipartisan legislation.
    Republicans are mostly reactionary right now, and no one votes for a party that's all opposition. They can't just be anti everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Republicans are mostly reactionary right now, and no one votes for a party that's all opposition. They can't just be anti everything.
    How can they not be reactionary, especially if you are the minority, and when underhanded moves are made by the democrats to silence their presence in congress?

    They certainly can't push their own bills, they don't even get a say on bigger issues like health care all 42 of them have no say whatsoever, lol you just want them to roll over and vote whatever the democrats throw at them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cogdecree View Post
    How can they not be reactionary, especially if you are the minority, and when underhanded moves are made by the democrats to silence their presence in congress?

    They certainly can't push their own bills, they don't even get a say on bigger issues like health care all 42 of them have no say whatsoever, lol you just want them to roll over and vote whatever the democrats throw at them.
    First they can figure out how to spend the stimulus money Republicans were mostly forced to accept as to not piss off their constituents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    First they can figure out how to spend the stimulus money Republicans were mostly forced to accept as to not piss off their constituents.
    That has already been solved, (solved being used in the most lax terms possible), any measures that come with strings don't accecpt, they are leaving it up to the state governors to decide what they want and what they don't want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Republicans are mostly reactionary right now, and no one votes for a party that's all opposition. They can't just be anti everything.


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