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    I enjoyed the article. I am not an expert on the situation so I can't say whether or not racism is being employed by her fashion handlers, but the article makes a good point: she shouldn't have to care (and doesn't) what anyone thinks about her looks/clothes - she does what she wants with pride and this is a good thing for American women to see.

    Beauty is subjective, as the old adage states. To call someone "unfortunate looking" is, ironically, to invite criticism of one's own looks, and I don't think any of us enjoys being criticized based on our looks. I personally think Michelle Obama is lovely and unique looking and as an active woman myself, love seeing her flaunt her strong arms and fit figure. It's good for us women to have a first lady who is proud of her strength and her personal fashion choices.

    Also, people who think that the way a person dresses is meaningless are people who are missing out on a big part of life. You can dress like a slob and convey a slobby message, or you can dress in a way that expresses yourself. Sure, it's not easy for everyone to match colors and put the right clothes on their own body, but after a short couple of lessons, it's not difficult. And it makes a huge difference in how a person is perceived. I would argue that dressing true to the self with well-arranged clothes (instead of hiding the self with bad clothes) is more authentic than saying something lazy like fashion doesn't matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    No you didn't say that, you said that whites are more broad, thus harder to peg. Meaning that it's harder to call them a community.

    And it DOES make sense to use the same classifications. Black catholics from the northeast are extremely different from black southern baptists. Blacks are varied and diverse, just like whites. The community is humanity.

    From a sociological standpoint, it makes more sense to qualify based on economic status, rather than race. A poor white southerner has more in common with a poor black southerner than he does with a rich, ivy league educated black person from California.

    In your quest to win this argument, you are ignoring the facts. Whatever, I've made my point - take it or leave it.
    Broad as in extended and larger. There is more of them.

    For instance, there are several different sects of Amish people, yet we don't talk or even know about each one, because the group is so small compared to the rest of the population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Broad as in extended and larger. There is more of them.

    For instance, there are several different sects of Amish people, yet we don't talk or even know about about each one, because the group is so small compared to the rest of the population.
    There are many types of everything and we point out the differences when we make an apples to apples comparison. To say that there is a black community, you must then admit to a white community for an apples to apples comparison. But since they are so populous, they can't possibly be a community? What number is the cut off point?

    Justify your stereotypes as much as you want. I pointed out the obvious and if you choose to ignore or accept it, that's your business. But you can't say now that no one ever told you. Done.

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    She is a "handsome" woman; not beautiful. (I couldn't qualify the difference for you if I tried, but maybe some of you can.) And she compromises her fashion sense (as most of us do) based on personal preference & social acceptance. But to me, this is neither here nor there. To some people, it's of actual interest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    I don't know about that. Chavez seems to being playing a little good cop (him) and bad cop (Daniel Ortega, who is taking a major left (re)turn). We shall see what happens once Obama does something he really doesn't like.
    He was initially acting very hostile to Obama, but that didn't rile the population up, so he's changing strategies. He's still a hard-core anti-American socialist who is attempting to implement effectively one-party rule, in any event.

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    I think this article reasserts the ridiculous stereotypical expectations of women's identity as wives to men, as their primary identity. Arm accessory. Her looks being of primary concern for discourse because she's now the "first lady". She's a lawyer....and her fashion is the topic of highlight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    He was initially acting very hostile to Obama, but that didn't rile the population up, so he's changing strategies. He's still a hard-core anti-American socialist who is attempting to implement effectively one-party rule, in any event.
    The US is Venezuela's leading trade partner, if he's a hard-core anti-American socialist, he's sure not showing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    Hmmm... Ok, if you think she's anti-American, I won't argue with that. But do you really think that white middle-class people are different from that? I don't know - I grew up around pretty normal white people that challenged the government and stated things about America and its policies that were worse than Rev. Wright did. I learned more about American Cultural Imperialism from middle class whites than I ever did from any black preacher ever. The implication that middle class whites aren't "anti-Americans" or that black people who express dissent, in fact, are "anti-Americans" is comical. Back to the drawing board with that argument, ok?
    First of all, I'm not the one who made a point of labeling mainstream middle-class characteristics as "white," that was an ironic reference to the article. I suppose I should have used quotation marks, rather than parantheses, to make that clear, I'll do so now. Second, I agree that there are white people who are more anti-American than Reverend Wright, but they are far from the majority among the middle-class (white OR black). And yes, I consider a "blame America first" mentality (which is NOT the same as dissent) to be indicative of Anti-Americanism in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    End this now, please.
    That's not possible for AJ - look at the other threads he posts in. He's like the damn energizer bunny - he keeps going and going and.....


    ANYWAY


    All the first ladies I can remember have all been classy, strong, intelligent women. I don't understand what the big damn deal is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    First of all, I'm not the one who made a point of labeling mainstream middle-class characteristics as "white," that was an ironic reference to the article. I suppose I should have used quotation marks, rather than parantheses, to make that clear, I'll do so now. Second, I agree that there are white people who are more anti-American than Reverend Wright, but they are far from the majority among the middle-class (white OR black). And yes, I consider a "blame America first" mentality (which is NOT the same as dissent) to be indicative of Anti-Americanism in general.
    Fair enough. Whether I agree or not, it's a valid viewpoint.

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