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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    History began with language.
    Agreed. Maybe history began with language at the point language evolved enough to be able to communicate well enough to describe what happened at the time that it wasn't evolved enough to communicate. Thus the creation of lies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    History began with language.
    If you mean written language, then yes that is the most common definition. Everything before that is considered prehistoric.

    Of course if someone creates a different definition (like people on this board often do), then of course "history" could mean anything.
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    A story has a beginning and an end.
    The choice is yours.
    Every story starts in the middle.

    Oh. The BB.
    I think the BB starts in the middle, too.
    We are so modest.

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    History began when Civilization began, and the Persian Empire was the first Civilization known (I think).

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    Quote Originally Posted by persianness View Post
    History began when Civilization began, and the Persian Empire was the first Civilization known (I think).
    That would be Mesopotamia(sp).

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    Technically, History began as soon as men invented a way to record the track of true events.

    So indeed, that would be somewhere around the third millenia BC, in Mesopotamia, when the first accurate chronicles were written (and that was a long, long time before the word "Persia" was even invented, or that the persian tribes settled in the Iranian plateau).

    But History is also a reflection about its own meaning and accuracy. The Greek word ???????? means inquiry. Thus, we can say that modern History began only thanks to the mind of a few Greek intellectuals, and especially Thucydides, because unlike Heredotos who enjoyed to tell romanced stories and anecdotes about the past, Thucydides prefered to investigate the truth, and only the truth. Scientific history was a radical change of attitude.
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    Well, what do we mean when we use the word, 'prehistoric'?

    i.e., before the advent of writing (to serve as a recording - as Blackmail!)

    This may be a bit short-sighted though. As we move AHEAD, we figure out many ways to read the history of something, an X. Even the 'writing' of cave drawings. How to read the history of a tree by its rings. How to read the history of a galaxy. How to read the history of how our earth formed? How we evolved? How to.....

    We add to the 'history' in a retrospective manner. History does not always have to mean a prospective forward linear movement of time and recording.

    Thus, history would first need to be specified, of WHOSE history we speak of. It's not really limited to humans and life. Everything that has a past, has a history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post
    Well, what do we mean when we use the word, 'prehistoric'?

    i.e., before the advent of writing (to serve as a recording - as Blackmail!)

    This may be a bit short-sighted though. As we move AHEAD, we figure out many ways to read the history of something, an X. Even the 'writing' of cave drawings. How to read the history of a tree by its rings. How to read the history of a galaxy. How to read the history of how our earth formed? How we evolved? How to.....

    We add to the 'history' in a retrospective manner. History does not always have to mean a prospective forward linear movement of time and recording.

    Thus, history would first need to be specified, of WHOSE history we speak of. It's not really limited to humans and life. Everything that has a past, has a history.
    Very good insight, +1.

    The history of existence is written in a far more precise and beautiful medium than human expression.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    Very good insight, +1.

    The history of existence is written in a far more precise and beautiful medium than human expression.
    Nature is not terribly precise when it comes to history. It may be accurate, but it's not precise. The written word really does give much more detail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    Nature is not terribly precise when it comes to history. It may be accurate, but it's not precise. The written word really does give much more detail.
    Sure it is. Just because our methods of interpreting what has been left behind is not yet refined enough for us to understand the language of the universe as well as we can understand our own, doesn't mean our language is more precise.



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