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    That CNN lady was unbelievable. I won't comment on the opinion article you posted, since it is an opinion. I hate CNN, MSNBC, FOX and all these "news" channels - it bothers me when people don't realize that most of the shows being broadcast, are also just opinion. I watch them to see what the general public is seeing but I take it all with a grain of salt and a pound of humor. Especially because there is no shortage of reputable sources available on line and in print - it's not like it was 20 years ago.

    It really is wise to be wary of commentators on any network - this is, after all, a ratings game.

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    This is what was in a local newspaper. Not exactly a good newspaper, but fwiw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by professor goodstain View Post
    They're your kids. This is what the clique media doesn't tell me. So far as an individual in the US my share of the debt incured from Oct 08 is $18,000. This is tarp and stimulus that pays it's own special interest. Special interest as in leverage on banks and unionized industries. The media also doesn't tell me that at this rate i'll never be able to pay off my debt that was not of my choice.

    Tarp-$700,000,000,000 + Stimulus-roughly$700,000,000,000 = 1,400,000,000,000 divide that by 350,000,000 = $4,000 Then add interest to the chinese over the lifetime of our kids These #s are skewed in obamas and bushs favor. The 350,000,000 takes into account a few future tax payers even.
    Are you going to need a loan or credit any time soon? One of the reasons for government involvement is to ease up the credit markets and make it easier for you to obtain credit, in order to stimulate the economy and shorten the recession. You also might be eligible for tax breaks and stimulus benefits.

    Quote Originally Posted by nozflubber View Post
    LOL, dude, there's NO way Anderson Cooper DOESN'T know what the term can refer to..... look at his last line from the first clip, it's so obvious that both of them know....

    Guardians just pretend not to know about such things, and keep all of that "shit at home" - they consume donkey pr0n and paypal for peepshows more than anyone else!
    The Coopster is a liberal though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Are you going to need a loan or credit any time soon? One of the reasons for government involvement is to ease up the credit markets and make it easier for you to obtain credit, in order to stimulate the economy and shorten the recession. You also might be eligible for tax breaks and stimulus benefits.



    The Coopster is a liberal though.
    That's just it. I don't want all that from the backs of our youth just so we can feel good for awhile.
    everyone uses every function about evenly. take NE for example. if there are those who don't use it much, then why are there such massive amounts of people constantly flowing through Wallmart with 20 items or less?

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    Quote Originally Posted by professor goodstain View Post
    That's just it. I don't want all that from the backs of our youth just so we can feel good for awhile.
    It's not just so we can feel good for a while. It's so we can end the recession and prevent a similar financial crisis from happening again. In order to pay down debt, we need to get the economy going again first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by professor goodstain View Post
    That's just it. I don't want all that from the backs of our youth just so we can feel good for awhile.
    Exactly. And I hate to bring up the obvious, but maybe it's time people learn to live within their means?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    Exactly. And I hate to bring up the obvious, but maybe it's time people learn to live within their means?
    Thanks. And that includes the govt.
    everyone uses every function about evenly. take NE for example. if there are those who don't use it much, then why are there such massive amounts of people constantly flowing through Wallmart with 20 items or less?

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    Quote Originally Posted by professor goodstain View Post
    Thanks. And that includes the govt.
    Correct - the gov't especially. Stop asking me for more money until you manage the money you already have.

    I feel terrible for the next generation that has to shoulder this burden, while also taking care of us in our old age, since Social Security will be near depletion.

    And I think it's time we stop gambling away our retirement money in 401k's and then crying because we lost it all but yet still feel entitled to it. It's gambling - you take a risk.

    I could go on and on and on about personal responsibility...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    Correct - the gov't especially. Stop asking me for more money until you manage the money you already have.

    I feel terrible for the next generation that has to shoulder this burden, while also taking care of us in our old age, since Social Security will be near depletion.

    And I think it's time we stop gambling away our retirement money in 401k's and then crying because we lost it all but yet still feel entitled to it. It's gambling - you take a risk.

    I could go on and on and on about personal responsibility...
    Don't you think it would be irresponsible if the government did nothing and we let industries fail and risk long-term depression?

    Before government really got involved in the economy, there was an economic crisis once every 15 or so years. Regulation offered stability, but after some time people thought it would be okay to deregulate again, which caused further instability. Hence the current push for oversight and regulation.

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    This story is garbage.

    Fox News-driven "tea parties" fail to ignite popular uprising among U.S. conservatives


    By Chris Parry, Vancouver SunApril 15, 2009Comments (24)

    A family holds signs at a "tea party" protest on the grounds of the Colorado tate capitol in Denver April 15, 2009. Protests were held in many U.S. cities loosely inspired by the 1773 Boston Tea Party rebellion against British colonial taxes, which helped spark the American revolution. The crowds demonstrated against taxes, government bailouts and U.S. President Barack Obama's budget proposal.
    I am amazed they emphasized any other issue they protested on besides taxes. Well done so far....

    A reportedly corporate-financed grassroots" anti-tax movement, paid for, planned and promoted by right wing think tanks, corporate lobbyists and Fox News Channel,
    Again, any lobbyists that sparked the movement have not been orchestrating every uncordinated local protest around the country. The movement has a life of its own based on the views of normal people who are organizing themselves. Would it have all began had some organizers/lobbyist/whatever had not initiated a few of them months back? I'm sure it would've, but they wouldn't be events that occur on the same day nationally, they'd be more disjointed random protests in the cities, as were occurring BEFORE the tea party thing got started. Here in San Diego and LA, we have had quite a lot of these rallys in the past few months locally organized. I don't agree with FOX's hard on support and coverage of the tea parties, which undoubtedly helped draw in more people to their local protests. I mean I guess that doesn't necessarily negate their "fair and balanced" claim, but it sure as hell doesn't make them objective. Then again, I don't believe in human objectivism anyway.

    has failed to bring about the "popular uprising" against the Obama administration its creators had hoped for.
    BULL SHIT. The one I went to yesterday, one of at least FOUR protests just in San Diego county alone, had about 2,000 people (from my best estimate of the crowd size). That was in the outskirts of the city. The other 3 locations in the heart of the city had to have drawn many thousands more each. San Antonio had about 15,000 by some police estimates. There are estimated to have been around 1,000 protests nationwide. The estimated turn out was well over 200,000 at the very very very minimum of estimates, though the numbers really haven't been accurately compiled yet. I base this on the following site which attempts to take numbers based on official estimates, and only accounts for less than 20% of the protests. I believe accurate numbers will show something closer to 500,000 or more. I'll be damned if that is a "disappointment", especially when so many people heard about it.

    FiveThirtyEight: Politics Done Right: How Many Attended The Tea Parties?

    The day of "tea parties" were pushed by Republican operatives and partisan advocacy groups such as FreedomWorks, a conservative advocacy group helmed by former Republican House Majority Leader Dick Armey. Organizers sought to encourage protest over the Obama government's tax and stimulus policies by asking people to wave tea bags, but the national event brought about only a few hundred "tea-baggers" in most parts of the U.S., despite relentless promotion by Fox News TV hosts.
    Big cities = big turnout. Small cities = smaller turnout. The rest I have already refuted.


    Participants had hoped to rally hundreds of thousands of people to begin a grassroots movement that would force Obama to change government policy. But the turn-out was far from what was hoped for, with most rallies looking decidedly on the small side, especially compared to the 2006 immigrants rights rallies or the 2004 pro-choice march on Washington, both of which attracted millions.
    It's not hard to attract hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants on the issue of their ability to stay in the county they broke into. The only reason they didn't have an even greater turnout is likely because some of them were scared of being rounded up.

    4,000 people are reported to have shown up in Cincinnati, Ohio, while Chicago and Sacramento drew an estimated 5,000 protesters each and Des Moines, Iowa pulled 3,000. 100 people reportedly turned out in Salt Lake City, Utah, a traditionally strong Republican town. Farmingville, New York, drew 50 hardy souls.
    Notice how they don't even mention the cities that had the largest turnouts, just the ones with moderate turnouts.

    Those that did show up to the right wing event Wednesday didn't hold back from expressing their thoughts on government. Protest signs seen in the Washington D.C. tea-bag protest featured slogans such as "Commander in Thief," "Party like it's 1773" and "Hang 'em high," the latter also featuring a list of Democrats the sign holder wants taken to the gallows. Another stated, "The American taxpayers are the Jews for Obama's ovens" [link].

    According to reports, organizers of the D.C. event were told by National Park Service officials that the "million tea bags" they had hauled in on the back of a pickup would have to be taken away, rather than be dumped as planned. They reportedly complied with the request after realizing they didn't have the correct protest permit.

    The Competitive Enterprise Institute, a local think tank, offered to provide its 12th floor board room as an alternate venue to dump the tea bags.

    A 68-year-old woman at the Sunbury Pennsylvania protest had to be rescued by police from the Susquehanna River when she inadvertently fell in while trying to dump tea bags in it.

    White House press spokesman Robert Gibbs said of the protests, "I don't know if the President is aware of the events. I think the President will use tomorrow as a day to have an event here at the White House to signal the important steps in the economic recovery and reinvestment plan that cut taxes for 95 percent of working families in America, just as the President proposed doing; cuts in taxes and tax credits for the creation of clean energy jobs."

    Rising popularity in the polls for President Barack Obama, a strengthening economy, and the unfortunate choice of name for the movement ("tea-bagging" is slang for a sexual act) are considered the prime reasons for the failure of the event, but recent exposure of the groups behind the protests also drove some away from taking part.

    In the days leading up to the supposedly grassroots event, the New York Times' Paul Krugman noted, "a key role is being played by FreedomWorks, an organization run by Richard Armey, the former House majority leader, and supported by the usual group of right-wing billionaires. And the parties are, of course, being promoted heavily by Fox News."

    The involvement of a news channel in promoting a partisan event has caused many to give the political tilt of Fox News a second look.

    In the lead-up to the event, Fox News featured 9 segments and 40 promos over just two days, according to the watchdog website Media Matters. Over a one week period, 10 in-show promos were given by Fox presenter Sean Hannity, while Neil Cavuto and Glen Beck delivered 5 each. Cavuto did seven news segments on the event. All Fox News shows featured commercials advertising the protests during that time, and they were regularly described as "FNC [Fox News Channel] Tax Day Tea Parties" by on-air personalities.

    In addition, Fox News contributors were listed as "Tea Party Sponsor[s]" on the website promoting the event, while appearances by Fox personalities were used to promote individual rallies.

    Fox News anchor Cody Willard, reporting from one of the protests, even went so far as to say on the air, "Guys, when are we going to wake up and start fighting the fascism that seems to be permeating this country?"

    In yet another tea-bag day controversy, Fox anchor Neil Cavuto was captured on an open mic discussing the crowd numbers with an on-location producer, estimating the turnout at 5,000 people, but minutes later Cavuto told viewers that "They were expecting 5,000 here, it's got to be easily double, if not triple that."

    The day of uprising continues.
    As far as Barack Obama goes, he issues a statement saying he had not even heard about the protests. I highly doubt that is true considering the government sees it as a concerning issue to have "right wing extremists" out there protesting. Honestly. He is choosing to ignore possibly over 500,000 people in his own country opposed to government policies and the system as it currently stands. That's going to make things better... sure it will. Their only option is to ignore or ridicule. It is a divisiveness that will perpetuate the issue further.

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