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    Yeah Fluffy, you seem to be on some weird tangent, and I am having difficulty following what you are trying to say.

    I'm glad pure_mercury is doing the arguing now... that gives me some free time to do something else.
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    I kinda felt like I was argueing in myself. Maybe I should reword it all into one overviewable post. But that would almost seem like work. :P

    There are just many "why's", many angles and many factors that can/should be considered. Capitalism is a pretty large and heavy subject. Even though the base line of it all appears quite simple in theory.

    Looking back I believe my last post is the most clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cloud View Post
    I entirely afgree that there are alot of things wrong with Marx's analysis of capitalism, but given this ,thjere are also alot of truths in there about his prophesy of the destrcction of capitalism.

    Now, my explanaytion of communism's failure is that is driven by food crisis and starvation (such as the great leap foward in China) I want to hear about your people's opinions of Marx and capitalism.
    Hmm, I think a smart person told me once that Marxism works on a small scale but never on a large scale. I don't know if that's true or not...

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    Well, there is no 'truth' yet. It's never been tried. So you have to try to analyze how the current society would react to the different types of structures. And quite frankly, you could write entire books about that and not be done with it. :P

    (Just to point out, so did I Maliafee! Maybe I'm smart after all. :> )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    Well, there is no 'truth' yet. It's never been tried. So you have to try to analyze how the current society would react to the different types of structures. And quite frankly, you could write entire books about that and not be done with it. :P

    (Just to point out, so did I Maliafee! Maybe I'm smart after all. :> )
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    Quote Originally Posted by maliafee View Post
    Hmm, I think a smart person told me once that Marxism works on a small scale but never on a large scale. I don't know if that's true or not...
    Isn't "Marxism on a small scale" a contradiction in terms? The guy was writing about the entire capitalist world in the mid-1800s. He envisaged entire nation-states collapsing in proletarian revolution. How can you have that on a small scale? You mean a commune with everyone working and sharing? Of course that can work, but that is not Marxism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    Well, there is no 'truth' yet. It's never been tried. So you have to try to analyze how the current society would react to the different types of structures. And quite frankly, you could write entire books about that and not be done with it. :P

    (Just to point out, so did I Maliafee! Maybe I'm smart after all. :> )

    Marxism has been tried. You can't get from the socialist dictatorship part to the classless workers' state. It simply does not happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cloud View Post
    I entirely afgree that there are alot of things wrong with Marx's analysis of capitalism, but given this ,thjere are also alot of truths in there about his prophesy of the destrcction of capitalism.

    Now, my explanaytion of communism's failure is that is driven by food crisis and starvation (such as the great leap foward in China) I want to hear about your people's opinions of Marx and capitalism.
    The problems I have with Marx's theories are more spiritual then economic in nature - although there was plenty of problems with Marxist economics. I'll be willing to go more in-depth in these as time goes on.

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    In answer to the original question, I'm with Qre:us. It can't work because it is not compatible with human nature, on a basic level(s).

    But right now, we wouldn't be able to execute it in reality as well as we could on paper.
    I don't really understand what you're saying, FluffyWolf. I mean, I walk outside my house, I *see* capitalism working. It works for me. It works for my neighbours. You're talking as if, I dunno, as if the United States (for example) doesn't exist. And I'm not talking 100% pure capitalism - I don't think that's realistic, for any political etc. philosophy. But the US is a capitalist country. And is arguably very successful. You're living in a capitalist country, no?
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    George Kennon knew Marxism for what it was, unmanageable; he was a former soviet who developed the plan of containment for the US.

    Remember that Communism was supposed to be without a government, now Lenin new this couldnít be achieved yet, so government was given complete power. The goal of communism was to evolve to its *true* form which required every other country to revert to communism as well. Only until then would communism be complete (and government abolished).

    Since communism is heavily flawed in the dynamics of human and economic understanding, it fell apart, hence the plan of containment.

    Basic message Marxism requires everyone to convert, which isnít going to happen.



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