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    Smile Does Economy Measure the Standard of Living?

    Whose economy?

    The state fares well while the people are paupers?
    The people fare well while the state is a pauper?

    The papers say war is a boost for the economy.
    Is war good for the standard of living?

    A problem is the origin of the argument.
    Why the argument does not tackle the problem?

    The argument is not the origin of the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Whose economy?

    The state fares well while the people are paupers?
    The people fare well while the state is a pauper?
    Not if these two lean on one another.

    What exactly is the state anyway?

    The papers say war is a boost for the economy.
    Is war good for the standard of living?

    A problem is the origin of the argument.
    Why the argument does not tackle the problem?

    The argument is not the origin of the problem.
    You mean that the argument doesn't approach the origin of the problem?

    You're right. War has less to do with it than irresponsible citizens.
    But I don't think I know what you're talking about.
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    I seriously doubt it. Unless of course you mean that too much emphasis on a "good" economy/civilization makes life worse, in which case maybe.
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    Reason is, and ought only to be the slave of the passions, and can never pretend to any other office
    than to serve and obey them. - David Hume

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    The standard of living is subjective and relative to each unique person.

    Economy isn't subjective. (At least, we like to think it's not.).


    Though the economy does have a direct influence on the standard of living. We only know one economy, and our standard of living is a direct subjective result of that. Should the economy completely change or dissappear even, our standard of living would alter, for better or worse. But the generations who are born after, who would not have the experience of the economy prior to the then current situation, would not know better and have an entirely different opinion about the standard of living.

    So in a few words:

    Does Economy Measure the Standard of Living?
    No, we measure the standard of living, but automatically use the nature of the ecomomy in reaching that standard.

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    I suppose the problem is that the term standard of living generally only refers to material comforts available to us and has very little to do with actual emotional health.
    "You will always be fond of me. I represent to you all the sins you never had the courage to commit."

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    than to serve and obey them. - David Hume

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    To measure is to quantify. Look at a cake and take away 20% - there will always be 100% left.

    The yardsticks that purport to measure poverty & the economy measure nothing but distributions.

    Standard of living can only by qualified. And statisticians and politicians aren't very good at that.

    The problem is one of paradigm.

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    Exactly, and to expand on what I said.


    To the people in the 16th century. Their standard was the best. To us that standard wouldn't be the best but our current would be. They didn't know better is what we like to think. But relativity tells us they to, knew the best. Just like we know the best now.

    So it just depends on what the best is, in the eye of the beholder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nocap View Post
    Not if these two lean on one another.

    What exactly is the state anyway?

    You mean that the argument doesn't approach the origin of the problem?

    You're right. War has less to do with it than irresponsible citizens.
    But I don't think I know what you're talking about.
    Do they lean on one another?

    Or is one's gain the other's loss?
    Take the price of energy. I do not know what the situation is in the other countries.
    Here in Finland the price of electricity is artificially high.
    The actual cost for energy is a fraction of what a citizen has to pay for it.
    The energy company is a monopoly, owned by the state.
    The company makes a good profit. Many people have to starve in order to be able to pay the energy bill.
    The director cashed more than 33 million euro in eight years.
    Of course it is small beans compared to what the state makes.
    What is a state? A good question. Is it a mob?

    Another example. A municipality.
    The value of the land is artificially high. The municipality owns it.
    Ignorant people buy houses. Some of them do not even know the land under their house is not theirs.
    Not until they get the enormous bills for the land use, including an unreasonably high tax.
    Who sets the tax price? The state.
    The municipality cashes in, the state cashes in.

    The living costs drive the people away. The shops come in.
    The high costs drive the shops away.
    The municipality does not cash in any more. Nor does the state.
    What they do? They raise taxes.
    The taxes were already too high. Including the artificial price for energy, which is just another tax. The high taxes were the root of the problem in the first place.

    If you remove the cause of the problem, you cure the problem.
    Since when does the state or the municipality look for the cause of anything?
    Look at the level of the discussion. Is it high?
    The deputies passed the college and the law school with high marks.
    Did they learn anything? No.
    Do they look at the consequences of their actions and their voting? No.
    So what is the state?
    Whatever it is, is it in the hands of responsible citizens?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphosis View Post
    I seriously doubt it. Unless of course you mean that too much emphasis on a "good" economy/civilization makes life worse, in which case maybe.
    Who runs the state? The people who inhabit it?
    Emphasis on a good economy- for the state?
    Or for the people?

    It depends on what?
    On who runs the state?

    Who runs the state?
    The secretary or the boss?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Who runs the state? The people who inhabit it?
    Emphasis on a good economy- for the state?
    Or for the people?

    It depends on what?
    On who runs the state?

    Who runs the state?
    The secretary or the boss?
    Mr Pereto knew. Wealth will always drift from the majority to the minority.

    Whether in your great democracy of Finland or the scrub of Somalia.

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