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    I can understand some of PETA's stances... I suppose the frustration could be attributed to the people who exaggerate their callousness towards animals in order to aggravate the extremist animal rights people (who act just as rashly and obnoxious on the other side of the spectrum). There is a certain arrogance among people who aren't even willing to consider the idea of a "lesser" being having rights to life simply because it is not human. Yes, it is inappropriate for PETA to endanger the well being of people, but one argument seems to assume that PETA includes humans under the animal definition... which would technically mean that they would have to extend their services to people who would otherwise qualify for help from organizations like WEAVE, right? (ha-ha-ha-not-funny). They also create the separation with the title "PETA": People for the ethical treatment of Animals. I realize these are technicalities, but the inconsistencies are bothering me.

    Anyway, people are either classified as animals (and, in a sense, as equals) or not... this is actually a common question i come across in vegan circles. Would a person choose eating an animal over cannibalism or would it be equally wrong? It seems as though most are bothered by the thought of cannibalism more so than meat as a whole, but many consider them equally revolting, while only a select (odd) few consider cannibalism less revolting than consuming a non-human animal.

    Points where I find myself in agreement with some people who align themselves with PETA-like activities/mindsets:
    -unnecessary consumption/waste of animal products, especially when it results in the death/abuse/exploitation of an animal (dilemma: conflicting and changing views on what exactly is unnecessary)
    -human disruption of a habitat that results in endangering a species
    -hunting for sport (though I would never vote to make hunting illegal)

    hmmm... i was going to go on, but i'm done. it is likely that each person has at least one area in which he/she would be considered extreme/crazy by someone else. I'm not validating the actions of PETA, but I don't see the use in condemning them either.
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    There's just something about the part where people receive death threats for something so simple as not doing what you want.

    Kinda like pro-lifers who are pro-death penalty but that's another can of worms

    edit: I'm having french toast with a side of eggs and turkey bacon for breakfast
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    You can find the occasional death threats coming from supporters of any ideology. It's nothing about PETA in particular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    You can find the occasional death threats coming from supporters of any ideology. It's nothing about PETA in particular.
    Wackjobs come in all shapes and sizes
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    Quote Originally Posted by kendoiwan View Post
    Wackjobs come in all shapes and sizes
    And the dangerous wackjobs usually aren't of the PETA variety.

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    Peta is a strange organization that uses bully tactics. I'm saying that as a vegan. They are informative and have done great things, but I really think that the most vocal of the bunch are off their rocker and need to be pulled back. And I agree with an earlier comment about their priorities.

    I also agree with a comment above that it's weird to separate people and animals, as far as classification goes.

    This statement is a little off to me (mind you, I'm not making a judgment call on either side of either debate):

    Quote Originally Posted by kendoiwan View Post
    Kinda like pro-lifers who are pro-death penalty but that's another can of worms
    I think the two ideologies are simply unrelated.

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    I said kinda
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    Brutality to animals is not just about the suffering of the animals. It's ugly to the human's soul, too. It's a violation of the person, to be a brute. I realize the solution is not to be brutal human to human, but PETA mostly isn't -- they're just obnoxious sometimes.

    I'm glad for PETA in the world. It's a necessary balance. Even if they're not 100 percent right all the time, I think their efforts are noble. I eat a lot less meat than I did before I saw some PETA films.

    I wish there were spokespeople for neglected and abused children who were as forceful and in the public eye as PETA manages to be.

    But that's not to say that PETA doesn't have a rightful place in a world that's generally indifferent to suffering. Any consciousness raising to at least treat animals decently and with some dignity is good for the people as well as for the animals.

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    *stumbles; attempts to kick a bunny but misses and falls over in a drunken heap*
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    There's definitely a need for pro-animal welfare organisations, but intelligent ones.
    Humans do a lot of horrific things to animals (I'm thinking actual torture rather than eating meat...). For one example, how about the Chinese practice of skinning cats and dogs whilst they're still alive! Sickening beyond imagination. I'm also against animal testing where it's avoidable. I'm an animal lover and to me it seems obvious that situations where humans treat animals or vulnerable humans with cruelty should be prevented and the culprits punished.

    On the other hand, there's a right way and a wrong way, and 'cruelty' should be defined. How eating meat if it's been killed in a humane way, or loving and caring for a pet, could be defined as cruel is something I'll never understand. Equally, I disagree that people just going about their job in labs which might be somehow connected to animal testing for medical reasons should be attacked with murder in mind. If a group claims to be anti-violence towards a species it should follow that principle for all species, including humans, or it's hypocritical. That automatically disqualifies its cause and arguments.

    I can't remember if it was PETA, but it was definitely some mad animal rights lunatic organisation, who exhumed the corpse of the mother of an executive of a medical firm which was vaguely related to the planned lab at Oxford for animal testing. This was the corpse of an innocent woman. When any organisation stoops to these sort of stunts they alienate themselves from the normal, moral masses who might have had some sympathy with their cause.

    Shock tactics don't work. If they want to actually make a difference they should try negotiating and getting governments to outlaw some of the barbaric practices that some countries carry out on animals.

    Here's some more food for thought about PETA:
    We Are Just Like You: Murder, Death, Kill--- PETA 's Motto...
    Tolerance.org: PETA Rethinks 'Slavery' Exhibit
    PETA likens chickens<br> to Holocaust victims

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