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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    As far as I can tell, PETA is a very successful organization.

    Just the fact that we're talking about them now, says they're doing something right. Their whole Public Relations campaigning is built around creating controversy. They love all the attention, even the negative attention. Controversy = word-of-mouth = free advertising. So instead of being a small animal rights organization that no one knows about, they're huge and everyone knows them. And that of course gets them more donations to feed the beast.
    So in your opinion success = money, and actually accomplishing something is purely secondary?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    As far as I can tell, PETA is a very successful organization.

    Just the fact that we're talking about them now, says they're doing something right. Their whole Public Relations campaigning is built around creating controversy. They love all the attention, even the negative attention. Controversy = word-of-mouth = free advertising. So instead of being a small animal rights organization that no one knows about, they're huge and everyone knows them. And that of course gets them more donations to feed the beast.
    That's like saying the conservatives are winning because you talk smack about them day in and day out. Negative publicity does not equal positive publicity. The vast vast majority of the population is nowhere near as extreme or crazy as PETA, they see that groups like PETA are crazy, and tune out whenever they do or say anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kendoiwan View Post
    So in your opinion success = money, and actually accomplishing something is purely secondary?
    Nonprofits need money to operate. That's just how it works. Can't do one without the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    That's like saying the conservatives are winning because you talk smack about them day in and day out. Negative publicity does not equal positive publicity. The vast vast majority of the population is nowhere near as extreme or crazy as PETA, they see that groups like PETA are crazy, and tune out whenever they do or say anything.
    For every hundred or thousand people that PETA totally turns off, they get their message out to a few new potential donators who like their message.

    PETA will probably never jive with the average person, but as we can see, they don't need the average person's support to keep getting headlines and growing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    For every hundred or thousand people that PETA totally turns off, they get their message out to a few new potential donators who like their message.

    PETA will probably never jive with the average person, but as we can see, they don't need the average person's support to keep getting headlines and growing.

    What about getting something accomplished?
    What your saying is like defending Bernie Madoff, by saying sure he didn't actually invest anything but he made alot of money...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kendoiwan View Post
    What about getting something accomplished?
    What your saying is like defending Bernie Madoff, by saying sure he didn't actually invest anything but he made alot of money...
    Not sure Madoff is relevant to this, but here is a list of "accomplishments" they've achieved.

    •PETA first uncovered the abuse of animals in experiments in 1981 and launched the precedent-setting “Silver Spring monkeys” case. This resulted in the first arrest and criminal conviction of an animal experimenter in the United States on charges of cruelty to animals, the first confiscation of abused laboratory animals, and the first U.S. Supreme Court victory for animals in laboratories.
    •PETA released 70 hours of graphic video footage that documented the appalling treatment of primates at the University of Pennsylvania head-injury laboratory, resulting in government fines and the loss of funding for the cruel study.
    •PETA’s undercover investigation of a huge contract testing laboratory in Philadelphia and our subsequent campaign led to Benetton’s permanent ban on animal tests—a first for a major cosmetics company. Other leading companies, such as Avon, Revlon, and Estée Lauder, followed suit. Gillette announced a moratorium on animal tests after PETA’s 10-year campaign. PETA now lists hundreds of companies that do not test products on animals. Please visit CaringConsumer.com for details.
    •After negotiations with PETA, juice-makers POM, Welch’s, and Ocean Spray agreed to stop funding animal experiments.
    •PETA was victorious over the General Motors Corporation, which ended its use of animals in crash tests.
    •PETA released investigators’ photographs and videotaped footage taken inside Carolina Biological Supply Company, the nation’s largest biological supply house. PETA documented that animals were removed from gas chambers and injected with formaldehyde without being checked for vital signs, as well as cats’ and rats’ struggling during embalming and employees’ spitting on animals. The company was charged by the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) with violations of the federal Animal Welfare Act (AWA).
    •With the help of celebrities like Ewan McGregor and Martin Sheen; U.S., German, and Canadian government officials; and activists worldwide, PETA was able to secure the release of polar bears who had been suffering for years in the Suarez Bros. Circus. The bears are now recovering and thriving in more appropriate climates.
    •PETA distributed an undercover videotape that showed Las Vegas casino “entertainer” Bobby Berosini beating orangutans with a metal rod. The U.S. Department of the Interior revoked Berosini’s captive-bred-wildlife permit, making it illegal for Berosini to buy or sell orangutans.
    •An undercover investigation of painful scabies experiments on dogs and rabbits at Ohio’s Wright State University led to charges by the USDA of 18 violations of the AWA. The experiments were stopped.
    •After being pressured by the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine and PETA, the American College of Surgeons replaced animals with simulations at its training conferences and is now urging medical schools to adopt non-animal training alternatives.
    •PETA released undercover photographs and videotapes that showed ducks’ being violently force-fed on a foie gras farm in New York, resulting in the first-ever police raid on a U.S. factory farm. After learning the gory details of foie gras production, many airlines and restaurants dropped the so-called “delicacy” from their menus.
    •Undercover investigations at pig-breeding factory farms in North Carolina and Oklahoma revealed horrific conditions and daily abuse of pigs, including the fact that one pig was skinned alive, leading to the first-ever felony indictments of farm workers.
    •In another precedent-setting case, a California furrier was charged with cruelty to animals after a PETA investigator filmed him electrocuting chinchillas by clipping wires to the animals’ genitals. The American Veterinary Medical Association denounced the killing method, saying that it causes animals to experience the pain of a heart attack while they are still conscious. In another undercover exposé, PETA videotaped a fur rancher’s causing minks to die in agony by injecting them with weed-killer. Both farms agreed to stop these cruel killing methods.
    •After exposing the National Air and Space Administration’s Bion experiment, in which straitjacketed monkeys were to be implanted with electrodes and then launched into space, PETA succeeded in pressuring the U.S. to pull out of the project.
    •PETA’s undercover investigation of a Florida exotic-animal “training school” revealed that big cats were being beaten with ax handles, which encouraged the USDA to develop new regulations governing animal training methods.
    •PETA’s undercover investigation of Boys Town National Research Hospital’s experiments, in which researchers cut into kittens’ heads and starved cats in order to study deafness, spurred the National Institutes of Health to issue a report condemning Boys Town’s animal care and use program. The USDA found that Boys Town had failed to comply with the AWA.
    •PETA convinced Mobil, Texaco, Pennzoil, Shell, and other oil companies to cover their exhaust stacks after showing how millions of birds and bats had become trapped in the shafts and were burned to death.
    •After two years of negotiations and more than 400 demonstrations worldwide, McDonald’s became the first fast-food chain to agree to make basic welfare improvements for farmed animals. Burger King and Wendy’s followed suit within a year’s time, and within two years, Safeway, Kroger, and Albertson’s had also agreed to adopt stricter guidelines in order to improve the lives of billions of animals slaughtered for food.
    •Thanks to PETA’s long campaign to push PETCO to take more responsibility for the animals in its care, the company agreed to stop selling large birds in all its stores and to make provisions for the millions of rats and mice in its care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    For every hundred or thousand people that PETA totally turns off, they get their message out to a few new potential donators who like their message.

    PETA will probably never jive with the average person, but as we can see, they don't need the average person's support to keep getting headlines and growing.
    Problem is, they make the world a worse place, and do nothing for the cause of animal protection, except give it a bad reputation.

    By a measure of self preservation and development, yes, PETA is a success. I don't think it is a success by any other (reasonable) measure that I can think of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Problem is, they make the world a worse place, and do nothing for the cause of animal protection, except give it a bad reputation.
    Yeah I'm not sure either of those two points are true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post

    By a measure of self preservation and development, yes, PETA is a success.
    Are you sure you're not just talking about bacteria?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Yeah I'm not sure either of those two points are true.
    Hmmmm not as useless as I thought, if no less nutty
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