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    Default The effect a welfare state has on poverty.

    Empirical evidence suggests that taxes and transfers considerably reduce poverty in most countries, whose welfare states commonly constitute at least a fifth of GDP.


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    Absolute poverty

    Absolute poverty measures the number of people living below a certain income threshold or the number of households unable to afford certain basic goods and services.

    Relative poverty

    Relative poverty measures the extent to which a household's financial resources falls below an average income threshold for the economy. Although living standards and real incomes have grown because of higher employment and sustained economic growth over recent years, the gains in income and wealth have been unevenly distributed across the population.


    That's a very good track record. Mixed economies with a welfare state ftw.

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    My thoughts on wiki

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    Can we use Welfare governments in Africa or South America to demonstrate counter examples?

    Or are we forgetting that Europe got rich through domination and accumulated wealth though such.

    (Just as Africa still hasn't recovered from such, Europe is still feeling the effects as well)

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    Quote Originally Posted by cogdecree View Post
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    Can we use Welfare governments in Africa to demonstrate counter examples?
    Wiki is fine, as long as the article has citations and references, like the one I posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cogdecree View Post
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    Can we use Welfare governments in Africa or South America to demonstrate counter examples?

    Or are we forgetting that Europe got rich through domination and accumulated wealth though such.
    Only enlightened European Welfare States count.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    Only enlightened European Welfare States count.
    Places like Africa don't really have welfare states. Though South Africa might be moving in that direction.

    Can South Africa Afford to Become Africa's First Welfare State?

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    I notice we spend a very high GDP per capita amount relative to other countries, but see little results because of that added expenditure. Has there been an explanation as to why?



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    My last point (hopefully) is that welfare states (a majority of them) can't afford to participate in the world at all (there are exceptions; the top three definitely don't contribute to world affairs).

    Also the welfare state is a relatively new system, meaning it may not even be a stable form of government over a long period.

    If welfare states can survive this depression, and can last 2 or 3 generations, I'll have more confidence in its ability to survive, until then.

    It's an untested system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    I notice we spend a very high GDP per capita amount relative to other countries, but see little results because of that added expenditure. Has there been an explanation as to why?
    We spend a lot on things like health care, yet it's still not universal like in the other developed nations, there's a lot of waste. That's why our health care system is about to undergo reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by cogdecree View Post
    My last point (hopefully) is that welfare states (a majority of them) can't afford to participate in the world at all (there are exceptions; the top three definitely don't contribute to world affairs).

    Also the welfare state is a relatively new system, meaning it may not even be a stable form of government over a long period.

    If welfare states can survive this depression, and can last 2 or 3 generations, I'll have more confidence in its ability to survive, until then.

    It's an untested system.
    That doesn't make sense. Most of the developed world has a welfare state.

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    This does not take into account GDP growth. Where is the causation here? I don't see it. Also, absolute poverty is generally defined as US$1 or less per day GDP per capita.

    BTW: Do you ever cite anything other than Wikipedia?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    We spend a lot on things like health care, yet it's still not universal like in the other developed nations, there's a lot of waste. That's why our health care system is about to undergo reform.



    That doesn't make sense. Most of the developed world has a welfare state.

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    (One could hope anyways, I answered back).

    The US, UK, Russia, and China are the world players, unless directed by one of these countries, other countries do not generally get invovled.

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