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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    Then why are people so against gay marriage? Because they oppose more forms of commitment?
    No idea. I guess they feel like it makes marriage as an institution less sacred and more mundane. Like, to opponents this is probably similar to two chickens getting married.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    Kids are victims either way. That's the whole point.

    If people were less careless and more commitment oriented, they would approach such things with the proper seriousness, which they do not if marriage commitment is not the goal of a relationship.
    That perspective makes more sense to me. But I still don't believe that being unwed ruins society - it merely changes the shape of modern society. Better or worse is a value judgment that I choose not to make.

    Quote Originally Posted by cogdecree View Post
    I think he meant more loyal men, as in weeding out those who wouldn't be loyal.
    Thanks. History has proven that marriage has no real bearing on who will remain loyal and who will stray.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    Read my post, I said if you don't want kids, go do whatever the hell you want. Who cares if you fuck up your own life?
    Hahaha, I'll do whatever I want anyway, whether I want kids or not but thank you very much for your permission.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    That perspective makes more sense to me. But I still don't believe that being unwed ruins society - it merely changes the shape of modern society. Better or worse is a value judgment that I choose not to make.
    Can things be different and yet no better or worse? Seems unlikely to me.

    Thanks. History has proven that marriage has no real bearing on who will remain loyal and who will stray.
    It is related. The same attitudes that have led people to be less loyal have resulted in the decline of marriage. We are more selfish and less loyal than ever before in history, without a doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    Hahaha, I'll do whatever I want anyway, whether I want kids or not but thank you very much for your permission.
    Obviously. This is why things are screwed up. No man is an island. "It's my life. I do what I want. Nothing I do affects anyone else."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    Can things be different and yet no better or worse? Seems unlikely to me.



    It is related. The same attitudes that have led people to be less loyal has resulted in the decline of marriage. We are more selfish and less loyal than ever before in history, without a doubt.
    I don't see a problem with the decline of marriage. I think from a man's perspective, we are more selfish as a whole. From a woman's perspective, that may be true as well, but it could also mean that we are more progressive as a whole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    I don't see a problem with the decline of marriage. I think from a man's perspective, we are more selfish as a whole. From a woman's perspective, that may be true as well, but it could also mean that we are more progressive as a whole.
    Progressive how? How are things better for women in the era of not marrying?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    Obviously. This is why things are screwed up. No man is an island. "It's my life. I do what I want. Nothing I do affects anyone else."
    What things are screwed up?

    And when did I say anything about my life being an island? In fact, I advocated making smart, well thought out decisions for the future of your family. Hmmm...

    Ok, we're beating a dead horse. Agree to disagree?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    Ok, we're beating a dead horse. Agree to disagree?
    I win.

    Seriously though, maybe I'm just a closet romantic, but I honestly can't believe I have to defend marriage.
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    Does it really matter?

    I remember back in world history reading about the Soviets. Women were expected to work just as hard as men by the government, and yet they were still expected to work as hard as their mothers for their families by society.

    I see the same thing happening today. A woman can raise a child herself and make her own wages. Or she can marry and have a child, and augment her wages, but then she has to take care of her husband too. What's a girl to do?
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