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    Don't Judge Me! Haphazard's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    #1 You frame marriage as an arrangement wherein you go from one father to another. This belies your prejudice against it as a relationship where both parties equally benefit.

    #2 Benefits: Studies Find Big Benefits in Marriage - The New York Times
    hmm.

    Men appear to have the most to benefit from marriage, the study showed...

    On the other hand, the studies she compiled indicated that women get fewer benefits from marriage. They often suffer a wage loss, particularly after children, and tend to be burdened with more housework. And the same research she used with men and sex, Dr. Waite said, indicated that women's sexual satisfaction was not really altered by their marital status....
    Why should I get married again?

    Although, this seems like a good argument to support gay marriage.
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    I think it's more that marriage is the best arrangement for having children. If you don't want children, by all means don't get married. Who cares if people get married if there are no resulting children? Marriage is FOR children, even if people have romantic notions about it. The real purpose is for procreation and family.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    #1 You frame marriage as an arrangement wherein you go from one father to another. This belies your prejudice against it as a relationship where both parties equally benefit.

    #2 Benefits: Studies Find Big Benefits in Marriage - The New York Times
    Meh.

    You can always find some study to support whatever stance you take. According to the article, a benefit of marriage is that you make more money. But you probably make more exponentially, because you require more.

    And it's true, women are no longer dependent on men and with the advent of medicinal family planning, there is no longer the fear that they will be bound to a man that they have no desire to be with. It is a huge leap from days past.

    That being said, the institute of marriage is pointless to me because if you are with someone, you are with them. The fact that you are married or not, should (or at least could) have no bearing on that if both parties are in agreement.

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    Someday I want to be born out of wedlock. I have to find out if it's as good as they say.
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    sheesh humans! for realz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    Single parent households are ruinous to society. And, if you're not married you're more likely to be a single parent. Obviously.
    Why ruinous?

    You are under the assumption that children of unmarried parents don't have 2 parents...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    Meh.

    You can always find some study to support whatever stance you take. According to the article, a benefit of marriage is that you make more money. But you probably make more exponentially, because you require more.

    True! I don't feel like Googling, but would you agree that marriage has
    benefits for children and society in general?


    That being said, the institute of marriage is pointless to me because if you are with someone, you are with them. The fact that you are married or not, should (or at least could) have no bearing on that if both parties are in agreement.
    Sounds good in theory. I would expect this POV from an ENTP incidentally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    True! I don't feel like Googling, but would you agree that marriage has
    benefits for children and society in general?
    I think children can benefit from any number of social arrangements. More often than not, children of very happy single people turn out better than children of parents who hate each other but stay together for their sake.


    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    Sounds good in theory. I would expect this POV from an ENTP incidentally.
    Yeah, I'm pretty predictable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    Why ruinous?

    You are under the assumption that children of unmarried parents don't have 2 parents...
    It is very common for men to remarry and start new families. Especially if they have daughters as they feel less invested. You can't tell me a father can equally care for two sets of kids at once as well as he could one set?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    I think children can benefit from any number of social arrangements. More often than not, children of very happy single people turn out better than children of parents who hate each other but stay together for their sake.
    Sure, of course. But, on a larger scale, marriage is beneficial. Statistically.


    Yeah, I'm pretty predictable.
    No. My point is it's natural for ENTP's to rankle at anything that smacks of being tied down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post

    That being said, the institute of marriage is pointless to me because if you are with someone, you are with them. The fact that you are married or not, should (or at least could) have no bearing on that if both parties are in agreement.
    So basically, you agree with everything marriage stands for in terms of a commitment to companionship, you just don't like the label.

    Seems a bit petty.



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