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    Quote Originally Posted by cogdecree View Post
    Except we are talking about large % 70+.

    And if 70%+ vote a certain way, and if it was terrible wrong, actions would be taken to correct such, though legislation or other means.
    If the 70% majority was allowed to impose great injustices upon the other 30, all future legislative attempts for change would be voted down by the same people. The "other means" would have to be something outside of the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cogdecree View Post
    There are many views within the country, should all of them be expressed, no matter the size?
    My main point is that the law must be based on principles of fairness, not just majority rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not_Me View Post
    My main point is that the law must be based on principles of fairness, not just majority rule.
    I'm not disagreeing with that claim, but the balance between majority to silent majority and minority voice does waver off at some point.


    I guess I'm just curious what limits such. If it doesn't fit your values? if they make up at least 20% of the populations?

    I'm interested in the criteria, only because power with the ability to overturn popular vote, needs or should be defined to prevent abuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lasting_Pain View Post
    Sadly that is the only strong defense they have. Even though I am religious, I cannot be a advocate of the religious views when I see people who are sincerely in love trying to get married.
    What if a 13-year-old and me are sincerely in love? Should we be allowed to get married?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    What if a 13-year-old and me are sincerely in love? Should we be allowed to get married?
    No, because a 13 year old is not fully mentally mature/developed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cogdecree View Post
    I guess I'm just curious what limits such. If it doesn't fit your values? if they make up at least 20% of the populations?

    I'm interested in the criteria, only because power with the ability to overturn popular vote, needs or should be defined to prevent abuse.
    The constitution attempts to set that criteria, to strike some balance between personal freedom and duty to the state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymous View Post
    No, because a 13 year old is not fully mentally mature/developed.
    Until someone else picks up my debate on the procedure/manner this was carried out, I'll give this some attention.

    If the parents consented for their 11 year old, the 11 year old wasn't bothered by it, and the suitor is of course happy, would this be allowed?

    I'm just curious if this would overide the defense made earlier (and we are just talking about his issue).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    What if a 13-year-old and me are sincerely in love? Should we be allowed to get married?
    I would oppose the marriage on the grounds that the 13 year old, in all probability, is not fit to make that decision for herself yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not_Me View Post
    The constitution attempts to set that criteria, to strike some balance between personal freedom and duty to the state.
    The constitution is famous for how vague it is, there isn't a dividing line. Perhaps you can give me the line which specifies such that doesnít allow interpretation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymous View Post
    No, because a 13 year old is not fully mentally mature/developed.
    13-year-olds used to be able to marry. Has their mental maturity/development rate changed in the last 100 years?

    And okay, setting that aside, if 5 women, 3 men and I all are in love with each other, shouldn't we be able to have a group marriage?
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