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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    We are the Western world. We are the heirs of the Enlightenment age.
    As Novalis noted, the Western world is built upon three main pillars: Greek philosophy, Roman law, and the Christian faith. You cannot begin to understand our civilization without understanding these three, and that goes for the Enlightenment as well.

    Let's also remember that the conception of the European Union was first formulated by Catholics. Makes perfect sense, since the conception of "Europe" as a distinct culture-civilization originated from the time of Carolingian Empire in the early Medieval period.

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    Pope Benedict XVI has written many wonderful commentaries about the nature and vocation of Europe.

    Here's his most famous essay dealing with the issue:
    "Europe and its Discontents"

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    Will it ever become fully united? Will it become first democratic and atheistic entity in history?

    Falcarius sure hopes not.

    Does it have the strength to replace US if things there go very bad?

    In what way do you mean? The EU economy and America's is already the same size. In short, if the last decade has taught anyone anything then it is that American political power is overrated. Personally, Falcarius is not convinced any country is that influential as a world power if she gets given the runaround by the likes of that punk who apparently lives in a cave, and whom is rather narcissistic in that he seems to rather love making video tapes of himself, and don't forget even by that guy who has a girlie name and wears platform shoes also.

    Why would the EU want to become like America?

    Falcarius does not really think it does; he's no federalist. If he was American, he would be in support of ripping up the U.S Constitution. He doesn't think centralisation of government in America was a good thing, and the day will come when it regrets federalism; trust Falcaius it may be sooner than one expects.

    To hell with Alexander Hamilton's Federalist Papers, federalism, and whiskey tax; if there was a time Americans needed whiskey to drown their sorrows about federal government it is most certainly now.

    Intergovernmentalism > Supernationalism
    State law > Federal law
    Common law > Civil law
    The UK > The EU
    £ > €
    Angles > Franks
    Imperial > Metric
    Uk + EU ? Paradise

    What is the role of this continent in the modern world?

    Well it presently is to provide entrainment, isn't it?

    The EU is like being invited to see some dogging event but not perceiving what it would like until one has agreed to turn up. If one was originally told the truth that they would witness an incestuous reunion they would never turned up in the first place.

    The attestors react in different ways, as they don't not know if they should hide behind the boscage or take part in the prairie; Britain does the former and the rest of Europe tends to do the latter when they first experienced the bloodcurdling ordeal of the ungodly iniquitous Oedipal love of the new found Franco-Germanic relationship.

    After a while Britain asked them if she could take part, France was like sod that despite her being saved from being murdered by Germany a few years before. You mean don't know John Lennon wrote Jealous Guy about? Well now you do.

    To cut a long story short, France did eventually let Britain take part but only on the condition she subsidizes Frence' dinner indefinitely, and break up half of her friendships, as France was rather vexed she kept getting less Christmas presents than Britain.

    Falcarius is sure you want to know about those strange girls who a only took part in the dogging as their mother treated them bad. Well, the strange thing about those ex-soviet satellite states is despite being desperate to take part the in the dogging, they seem not to want anyone to know apart from the mother, Mrs Russia. Hence, why they only hide and make out with Britain in the boscage, whom half returned there herself out of embarrassment. As for France and Germany, these day they are working together trying to create babies free of defects by trying Nuclear power and pharmaceutical methods out on each other; Falcarius does really get it so you will have to ask Entropie and Blackmail.

    So yeah, that is the story of the French seduced Europe like a Bond girl, and help create the best surrealistic comedy ever. It is surprising what a British diplomat, whose family still own the boat company Falcaius walks past most days; a French diplomat, who sounded like he should have been an artist; the Belgian Socialist statesman; last not least the something of a lifetime Italian Communist; can do when they work together.

    What do you think it will happen to his continent in the future?

    The EU will fall apart if it does not seriously get reformed; Firstly, as it is tremendously bureaucratic. Secondly, it already is going against the will of the people as it is. Plus, France and Germany really need to stop making out for at least a few seconds.
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    Oh our 3rd person reference to ourselves denotes nothing more than we realize we are epic characters on the forum.

    Narcissism, plain and simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falcarius View Post
    To hell with Alexander Hamilton's Federalist Papers, federalism, and whiskey tax; if there was a time Americans needed whiskey to drown their sorrows about federal government it is most certainly now.

    State law > Federal law
    I think you misunderstand exactly what "federalism" means, both currently and in Alexander Hamilton's time. Under true federalism, as originally envisigned in the American Constitution and expounded upon in The Federalist Papers, the authority of the national government is explicitly limited by constitutional parameters, everything else being the perogative of state governments. That is a huge difference from the EU notion of "subsidiary" powers, which basically amounts to local units being expected to shoulder all of the burdens of governance, while retaining none of the actual authority or decision-making power. I fail to see how trashing The Federalist Papers or the American Constitution corresponds with a desire to promote the primacy of local laws over national laws. Finally, you don't need to bother "ripping up" the Constitution, the Supreme Court and the goddamned "living document" doctrine of its "progressive" members has already done that for you.

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    Here is one thing it is often said that Europe as continent is quite defenseless. But to be honest I am not sure that is true. I think that US is still in cold war mentality when it comes to this and Europe does not what to be too exposed "in public" when it comes to this.

    Here is the thing, UK is actually quite well armed as country (of it size) and the exactly same works for France. Germany as "the strongest" county in the block also has the army of simillar size as those two. Itally as one of the countries that belongs to G8 also has relativly large army for its size.
    Greece is know for its militaristic approach so it has to have an army that is not too small. Poland has alomst 40 million inhabitants so it has to have some millitary strenght. It is well known that Scandinavians are are wealthy so it is reasonable to that they are not completly defenseless. Etc.

    The block has 27 countries which are some of the most wealthy and devleoped in the world and there is alot of countries in the block. Plus traditional allies like Norway.
    So when you start to sum up all of this you will see that this is not exactly a irrelevant amount of military power on world stage. I am not saying that US does not have stronger armed forces but I would not say that Europe so defenseless. As far as I know when you sum all of this you get second strongest army in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    As far as I know when you sum all of this you get second strongest army in the world.
    Not really; the size and equipment of the military is only part of the problem. There is also the issues of training and professional command structure. The UK is in good shape, but the rest of Europe is severely lacking in those areas. If the issue were confined to manpower and resources, Europe would have had no problem operating in the Balkans, and would not currently be vastly overshadowed by the militaries of Canada, Australia, and even New Zealand(!) in Afghanistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    Really? We kinda laugh at our own military here. Though that's largely owing to having Big Brother next door I guess

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    This whole thread is rediculus - everyone's looking at it from a "we vs others", "best or bust", "gotta be #1 if US can't hack it" mentality - how quaint and 20th century of you guys!! TOO FUCKING BAD THAT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE WORLD AND IN EUROPE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT OR MILITARY SIZE

    Europe will progress like all others, and maybe even have another "Revolution for the world" as its descrbied, but, seriously? You guys talk about superpowers and supernations with the sophistication of "My dad could kick your dad's ass". Europe isn't going to blossom into colonialism era Brittain that just rummages around the world owning everyone's ass, making colonies and trading as they please - there's no more room in the world for that kind of influence.

    For one, Nations aren't FIGHTING with each other anymore, they're trying to cooperate and align themselves. Economic factors and "market issues" have the entire world bogged down and busy that there's no room to push other people around..... don't you even get what stage Smith's capitalism puts us on? No one cares about ANY of the shit brought up here, they're too busy trying to keep their own countries running smoothly while figuring out things like how to incorporate the middle east into the world economy (ARAB MONEY plz!), and what we can trade with (and how to work with) what's soon to be the biggest economy in the world: China.

    This whole "US contra EU" thing is beyond childish - its retarded.

    EDIT: on second thought, was that the whole point of this thread? the whole thing reaks of inflammatory journalism/quasi-trolling.... there's just no way the questions in the OP are sensible.

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    Default EU - made in USA!

    This is very interesting!

    Euro-federalists financed by US spy chiefs
    By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in Brussels
    Last Updated: 2:10PM BST 19 Jun 2001

    DECLASSIFIED American government documents show that the US intelligence community ran a campaign in the Fifties and Sixties to build momentum for a united Europe. It funded and directed the European federalist movement.

    The documents confirm suspicions voiced at the time that America was working aggressively behind the scenes to push Britain into a European state. One memorandum, dated July 26, 1950, gives instructions for a campaign to promote a fully fledged European parliament. It is signed by Gen William J Donovan, head of the American wartime Office of Strategic Services, precursor of the CIA.....

    ....The leaders of the European Movement - Retinger, the visionary Robert Schuman and the former Belgian prime minister Paul-Henri Spaak - were all treated as hired hands by their American sponsors. The US role was handled as a covert operation. ACUE's funding came from the Ford and Rockefeller foundations as well as business groups with close ties to the US government.
    Euro-federalists financed by US spy chiefs - Telegraph

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