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    Quote Originally Posted by cogdecree View Post
    Are you talking about wars in general or are you trying to placate all wars like the conflict in Iraq? Though if I were required to compose an emotional argument here, Iraq is now a more free place, with a democracy in place (meaning the people are responsible for their government now), and that life out from under a dictator is life much more appreciated. Such is a reponse I would imagine you would get.

    As for war in general, some wars do need to be fought, that is obvious.
    *sigh*

    I'm talking about the masses of innocents killed. Is the end result worth it?

    I'm asking this in the same way I might ask, if a mother cannot care for her child or was raped and now pregnant, would it not be best in the end for her to have an abortion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by maliafee View Post
    *sigh*

    I'm talking about the masses of innocents killed. Is the end result worth it?

    I'm asking this in the same way I might ask, if a mother cannot care for her child or was raped and now pregnant, would it not be best in the end for her to have an abortion?
    Let the child be born then adopted. Then ask the child that in 20 years.
    everyone uses every function about evenly. take NE for example. if there are those who don't use it much, then why are there such massive amounts of people constantly flowing through Wallmart with 20 items or less?

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    Quote Originally Posted by professor goodstain View Post
    Let the child be born then adopted. Then ask the child that in 20 years.
    Should the mother's life be ruined because of rape? You try going through 9 months of pregnancy due to a violent sex crime. The sex should never have occured...

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    Quote Originally Posted by maliafee View Post
    Should the mother's life be ruined because of rape? You try going through 9 months of pregnancy due to a violent sex crime. The sex should never have occured...
    Most anti-abortionists would understand and allow an exception for an abortion in the case of incest or rape.



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    Quote Originally Posted by maliafee View Post
    Not really. I don't know why anyone with empathy for other humans would be. Truly, I don't.
    you really want to know the answer? because ive seen what both sides have to offer, and i would much rather live in a Christian theocracy (i am an atheist) than a communist state.

    just listen to what this communist has to say:


    [youtube=WpSDBu35K-8]Obama the commie[/youtube]

    Pragmatist my ass!

    this guy is a fraud, how could you be a democrat?
    "I believe in pay as you go" --and yet today hes spending at a rate that will leave us with 100,000 per capita debt
    "Were going to need money for health care, infrastructure etc" so in order to get that money, raise capital gains so that the gov takes in LESS money?


    its clear as day what obama actually wants... he doesnt want future prosperity for those who create it in the future, he wants to redistribute the wealth thats currently here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maliafee View Post
    Should the mother's life be ruined because of rape? You try going through 9 months of pregnancy due to a violent sex crime. The sex should never have occured...
    However, reality says that it DID occur, and you should be making decisions based on reality (the reality of the situation), not on what should or shouldn't be...

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    Quote Originally Posted by maliafee View Post
    *sigh*

    I'm talking about the masses of innocents killed. Is the end result worth it?

    I'm asking this in the same way I might ask, if a mother cannot care for her child or was raped and now pregnant, would it not be best in the end for her to have an abortion?
    Since you are going off of your Fi/Fe as established and agreed upon ealier, what is the end result, in your view? (on the topic of Iraq)

    Then we can compare such to the cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon Candle View Post
    you really want to know the answer? because ive seen what both sides have to offer, and i would much rather live in a Christian theocracy (i am an atheist) than a communist state.

    just listen to what this communist has to say:


    [youtube=WpSDBu35K-8]Obama the commie[/youtube]

    Pragmatist my ass!

    this guy is a fraud, how could you be a democrat?
    "I believe in pay as you go" --and yet today hes spending at a rate that will leave us with 100,000 per capita debt
    "Were going to need money for health care, infrastructure etc" so in order to get that money, raise capital gains so that the gov takes in LESS money?


    its clear as day what obama actually wants... he doesnt want future prosperity for those who create it in the future, he wants to redistribute the wealth thats currently here.
    Don't you think that calling Obama a commie is too much?

    It is interesting how people for US are throwing this word around just like that. Trust me, Obama is very far from real communism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    Don't you think that calling Obama a commie is too much?

    It is interesting how people for US are throwing this word around just like that. Trust me, Obama is very far from real communism.
    And I agree, but Obama is moving in that direction, that is undeniable, most likely we will never be a communist country, but a socialist country is still in question (or a socialistic like country).

    Also the term real communism is a joke, according to communists that I've talked to, the reason communism hasn't worked is because the leaders of the said country didn't implement such right.

    This leads me to believe there is a conflict between ideology and application.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maliafee View Post
    Oh Jeffster, I hate to butt heads with one of my favorite ISFPs on here, BUT...
    I will.
    I wasn't starting an abortion debate. I was giving you an example of how people with empathy can support Republicans.
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