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    Quote Originally Posted by dga View Post
    Their actions have spoken quite well for them.

    1) Tough on crime

    But not exactly smart about it considering the cost to jail over one percent of the population, largely for smoking joints. Just how tough is it to execute innocent people?

    2) Self reliance

    Good thing so much industry has been exported and big business has made it very difficult for family businesses. It must be easy to be self reliant if born with a silver spoon in your mouth as opposed to working at walmart because that is the only option.

    3) Family values

    Newt Gingrich, Mark Foley, Ted Haggard, Larry Craig, Bob Allen, Glenn Murphy Jr., Trent Lott, John McCain, Sarah Palin, etc might contradict that a bit. Oh wait, isnt that much of the gop leadership over the last 15 years?

    4) Strong capitalism

    Obviously bailing out investment institutions during reagan and bush IIs terms makes a solid case for that.

    5) Strong defenses

    Thats right, under republican control of the govt, 4 hijacked planes hit 3 buildings on the same day while the airforce was training for exactly that kind of possibility....in canada.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    One minor note: the government is the reason why small businesses are failing, not big corporations. Increasing regulations, ridiculous taxes, permit and licensing "fees", red tape, penalties for minor infractions etc... Believe me, I know this from first hand experience. If government was less involved, people could actually be more self reliant, but I digress. I agree with much of the other stuff you wrote, though.
    Are you serious, government is the reason.

    I guess Wal-Mart, Kroger, and Walgreens (I could go on and on) are the government because I surely do not see any government businesses shutting down the small companies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dga View Post
    Their actions have spoken quite well for them.

    1) Tough on crime

    2) Self reliance

    3) Family values

    4) Strong capitalism

    5) Strong defenses
    And see, that's a good list of policy directions that people who call themselves Republican would probably support. I bet many a self-proclaimed Republican supports that party because he likes those policy ideas, such that acting poorly on them (as politicians often do) doesn't deter him from supporting that party. He believes in the foundation, even if not in the pieces. You must be aware that Republican voters are always hounding their representatives to actually do what they say. People are always telling politicians to follow up on their word.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cimarron View Post
    And see, that's a good list of policy directions that people who call themselves Republican would probably support. I bet many a self-proclaimed Republican supports that party because he likes those policy ideas, such that acting poorly on them (as politicians often do) doesn't deter him from supporting that party. He believes in the foundation, even if not in the pieces. You must be aware that Republican voters are always hounding their representatives to actually do what they say. People are always telling politicians to follow up on their word.
    its a nice feel-good list, but very short term in potential success, and assumes a perfect world.

    Self reliance is an admirable trait, but people often do desperate thigns in desperate times. I'd like to be angry at a child who became orphaned after its paretns were locked up for pot and because there was no safety net from teh govt, resorts to obtaining one of the many hand guns in circulation and robs a republican rep. I'd really like to be angry, but one business just blackmailed the entire country over economic doom after doing its best to to help others squeeze a nickel out of a penny to eliminate the jobs the child's relatives might have been able to support it with. The blackmail payout was obviously great enough that if just a fraction of it had been used on children at risk, nobody would notice, and the rep would not have been held up.

    I agree that republican supporters are often very vocal about their requests from their representatives, and usually about the most inane things, like this family value/ morality charade. The average republican supporter is not benefiting at all from the republican party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    One minor note: the government is the reason why small businesses are failing, not big corporations. Increasing regulations, ridiculous taxes, permit and licensing "fees", red tape, penalties for minor infractions etc... Believe me, I know this from first hand experience. If government was less involved, people could actually be more self reliant, but I digress. I agree with much of the other stuff you wrote, though.
    oh, really? Just how much less should the govt be involved when a retail business grows to the point where it demands cheaper and cheaper prices from its suppliers to teh point where the suppliers cannot survive without essentially being enslaved to the customer as the customer undercut the small business competition so much that the supplier has nobody left to sell to?

    I agree that there is a stupid amount of red tape out there. A funny example is that a small business i know that primarily supplies niche market professional products and happens to own a company vehicle is getting letter from city councils to pay road fees in places it has simply never been.

    However, given the obvious history of the last 8 years, the republicans do not actually care about reducing the size of govt. nsa,fbi,dhs,atf,etc - just how many federal agencies are needed to track crime? The solution is to reduce the number of govt jurisdictions, local and federal. Why are there 2 dakotas and carolinas? Why do areas encompassing hundreds and hundreds of sq miles of desert need multiple governors?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lasting_Pain View Post
    Are you serious, government is the reason.

    I guess Wal-Mart, Kroger, and Walgreens (I could go on and on) are the government because I surely do not see any government businesses shutting down the small companies.
    Try starting your own little shop and you'll see what I mean. Like I said, speaking from first hand experience. Once you get past all the fees, fines and taxes, you'll then have to deal with unfair competition.

    Yes, big businesses make it tough to compete, but did you ever question how these businesses got so big in the first place? Why were the laws against predatory pricing not enforced against the Wal Marts, et al.?

    Companies were allowed to grow so large and encouraged to break the laws of capitalism. At this point, they "must not be allowed to fail" because they now affect so many lives and investments. The government rushes in with tax breaks and bailouts, but who's bailing out mom and pop when they are forced out of business?

    Rather than letting an already large company fail due to their own mismanagement, our system has us paying higher fees to support them. My feeling is that in a true free market, you have to show and prove. If the auto industry is failing because of antiquated polices and outdated methods, then they need to change their policies and sell cars fueled by alternative energies or whatever. If not, then they deserve to just fail - like everyone else who doesn't adapt to the marketplace. But alas, the petroleum industry is a government-granted monopoly and these companies will be offered a protection that will not be offered to the small business owner.

    In Germany, Wal Mart was forced to increase its prices because their prices were predatory. In France, Amazon was forced to pay a substantial fine each day that it continued to offer free shipping. When will our government step up and protect it's citizens and their livelihoods? That is the whole point of having a government - for basic protections. Competition should not mean driving someone else into poverty - there is enough to go around for everyone. These government sanctioned monopolies have got to go, don't you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dga View Post
    its a nice feel-good list, but very short term in potential success, and assumes a perfect world.

    Self reliance is an admirable trait, but people often do desperate thigns in desperate times. I'd like to be angry at a child who became orphaned after its paretns were locked up for pot and because there was no safety net from teh govt, resorts to obtaining one of the many hand guns in circulation and robs a republican rep. I'd really like to be angry, but one business just blackmailed the entire country over economic doom after doing its best to to help others squeeze a nickel out of a penny to eliminate the jobs the child's relatives might have been able to support it with. The blackmail payout was obviously great enough that if just a fraction of it had been used on children at risk, nobody would notice, and the rep would not have been held up.

    I agree that republican supporters are often very vocal about their requests from their representatives, and usually about the most inane things, like this family value/ morality charade. The average republican supporter is not benefiting at all from the republican party.
    wait so the NON socialists are assuming a perfect world????



    i would think the Pelosi Utopians are the ones who believe in a perfect world... i shouldnt have to spell out why...


    I'd like to be angry at a child who became orphaned after its paretns were locked up for pot and because there was no safety net from teh govt
    um, having more wellfare safety net prevents people being locked up for pot how??? (i support legalization btw)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dga View Post
    oh, really? Just how much less should the govt be involved when a retail business grows to the point where it demands cheaper and cheaper prices from its suppliers to teh point where the suppliers cannot survive without essentially being enslaved to the customer as the customer undercut the small business competition so much that the supplier has nobody left to sell to?

    I agree that there is a stupid amount of red tape out there. A funny example is that a small business i know that primarily supplies niche market professional products and happens to own a company vehicle is getting letter from city councils to pay road fees in places it has simply never been.

    However, given the obvious history of the last 8 years, the republicans do not actually care about reducing the size of govt. nsa,fbi,dhs,atf,etc - just how many federal agencies are needed to track crime? The solution is to reduce the number of govt jurisdictions, local and federal. Why are there 2 dakotas and carolinas? Why do areas encompassing hundreds and hundreds of sq miles of desert need multiple governors?
    I wrote about monopolies in my previous post.

    About large government: reducing the local jurisdictions is just asking for trouble. Each state should be able to run itself as it sees fit, as long as it keeps in line with federal laws and budgetary concerns. The federal government is where the problem lies, imho. You're right, there is no need for probably 50% of agencies that are in existence today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon Candle View Post
    wait so the NON socialists are assuming a perfect world????



    um, having more wellfare safety net prevents people being locked up for pot how??? (i support legalization btw)
    These are my thoughts exactly.

    I support legalization because the goal is to keep hardcore addictive drugs off the streets, and I don't think pot should be in the same category as, say, heroine or meth. The harsher drugs just don't compare to the softer ones, I think it should be similar to alcohol regulation, have to be a certain age, have to be 8 hours sober before work, can't drive, etc.

    But what I don't support is saying "What about the kid?" Yeah, the kid's situation sucks. His parents should follow the law, whether they agree with it or not, for their kid's sake instead of being selfish pricks and smoking and getting caught for it. Like I said before, I don't support the government being kind and welcoming to people who aren't being good citizens. Enforce the law, and protect the citizens, but don't think the government is a babysitter or that you should rely on safety net laws so that you can take advantage of the kindness of the net for your selfish actions.

    That's like telling a married couple to stay together for the kid's sake.
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