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    Quote Originally Posted by FireyPheonix View Post
    It's sad. Why do they hate women so much?
    They don't; they were brought up in a profoundly male-supremacist culture and suggestions to the contrary are very threatening to their value system. This is exactly the same as most homophobia in America: most people don't actually hate gays, but they have this innate sense that they are not worthy of equal rights.

    In other words, they don't see it as rape of a woman so much as...a man, which is defined as a greater and more important being in this culture (however erroneously), exercising his marital right. It's not motivated by any actual hatred of women; it simply is what is right, no discussion.

    Remind you of anyone in THIS country?

    I can't say I agree with them at all, but the quote toward the end of the article had the right idea. It's going to take a long time, just as every social movement does. Remember that the cultural development in this world is (from our perspective, anyway) centuries behind ours.

    I don't know about you, but my ancestors were definitely still reppin' some pretty whack social policy, say, three-hundred years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feops View Post
    Maybe it's a backlash owing to western influence.
    Gosh, it's all our fault.

    They are ruthlessly determined to apply the teachings of the Koran, and it's all our fault.

    They formally reject the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and it is all our fault.

    They are seeking to ban free speech across the world, and it's all our fault.

    They ruthlessly violate the human rights of women and children, and it is all our fault.

    But in reality it is the confluence of our narcissism and their propaganda.

    Always remembering that narcissism is not self love, but self hatred.

    And it is our self hatred that plays into the hands of those who hate us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post

    Remind you of anyone in THIS country?
    Yea, rapists. Otherwise, NO.

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    why havent powerful countries such as america taken over that hole and stopped this?
    i could hardly breathe while i read that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    They don't; they were brought up in a profoundly male-supremacist culture and suggestions to the contrary are very threatening to their value system. This is exactly the same as most homophobia in America: most people don't actually hate gays, but they have this innate sense that they are not worthy of equal rights.

    In other words, they don't see it as rape of a woman so much as...a man, which is defined as a greater and more important being in this culture (however erroneously), exercising his marital right. It's not motivated by any actual hatred of women; it simply is what is right, no discussion.

    Remind you of anyone in THIS country?

    I can't say I agree with them at all, but the quote toward the end of the article had the right idea. It's going to take a long time, just as every social movement does. Remember that the cultural development in this world is (from our perspective, anyway) centuries behind ours.

    I don't know about you, but my ancestors were definitely still reppin' some pretty whack social policy, say, three-hundred years ago.
    This is the same old, "Moral equivalence argument", that was trotted out during the Cold War by the Communists and their fellow travellers.

    But why should we be surprised? As Islamism continues in the same totalitarian tradition as Communism and National Socialism.

    But we should remember that today they come for the women and children, and tomorrow they come for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge View Post
    why havent powerful countries such as america taken over that hole and stopped this?
    i could hardly breathe while i read that.
    Because there's this little thing called sovereignty, where a country has the right to rule however it wants to so long as it's not a threat to another country. The international community may scorn them for it, which may be bad for the brutal country, but they cant be taken over just because of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge View Post
    why havent powerful countries such as america taken over that hole and stopped this?
    i could hardly breathe while i read that.
    The British tried and failed.

    And the Russians tried and failed.

    And now the Americans are planning to do a deal with the Taliban.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    The British tried and failed.

    And the Russians tried and failed.

    And now the Americans are planning to do a deal with the Taliban.
    Lol, the Russians had two bags of tricks: brutality against the Afghan population, and trying to win over the population through more benevolent means to make searching out the enemy an easier task. The U.S. is obliged to only use one of those methods (figure it out). Russia tried both and still couldn't win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    Yea, rapists. Otherwise, NO.
    I was kinda going more for the whole "people in the US have really stubborn moral beliefs with no regards to outside influence" implication, if it didn't get through. That doesn't seem too applicable to rapists, who are often outright amoral.

    I have to agree with your post about sovereignty, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Gosh, it's all our fault.

    They are ruthlessly determined to apply the teachings of the Koran, and it's all our fault.

    They formally reject the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and it is all our fault.

    They are seeking to ban free speech across the world, and it's all our fault.

    They ruthlessly violate the human rights of women and children, and it is all our fault.

    But in reality it is the confluence of our narcissism and their propaganda.

    Always remembering that narcissism is not self love, but self hatred.

    And it is our self hatred that plays into the hands of those who hate us.
    If western culture incites Islamic women to seek equality, and Islamic government then constricts its laws and censors its people to preserve its core beliefs and identity, that seems a straight forward case of cause and effect.

    How you want to play up the morality and "fault" of such things is entirely a matter of your own perspective. It has nothing to do with my point. I certainly don't feel guilty about it.

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