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    Quote Originally Posted by YourLocalJesus View Post
    I think it's a good initiative... Instead of running around in suburbs and ghettos, kids will be able to get away from bad environments. On top of that, americans need to learn how to work as a team, instead of relying on the extreme libertarianistic capitalism as an ideal. Re-educating the people is an important thing to do.
    You might think you are very successful, but to be honest, the american system is a danger to the rest of the world because of its huge inherent flaws. The recent economic collapse is America's fault, and we all get to suffer for it. You need to be re-educated in terms of how the hell you view the world. And some common sense. Some people are always adverse to change of any kind, and when things need to be done fast, of course the less adaptable citizens will be whining.

    I am not entirely sure if Mr. Obama's intentions are one hundred percent benevolent, but doing something is definitely better than doing nothing. Right now you need change more than anything. What you don't need is an outdated moral system and a whackjob constitution.
    All until republicans take over congress, then our minds (allofasudden) "change" about the whole community service idea.
    everyone uses every function about evenly. take NE for example. if there are those who don't use it much, then why are there such massive amounts of people constantly flowing through Wallmart with 20 items or less?

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    Silly libertarians and socialists.

    You are all enslaved no matter which ideology you support. You either exist within the wage slavery established by corporate masters or you belong to the bureaucratic masters who run the federal government "at the point of a gun". And frankly, within this country, there really isn't much difference between the two. If you are libertarian you just get to pretend that one day the corporate masters will let you get rich enough to be one of them and if you are socialist you just get to pretend you could become a bureaucratic master yourself without having to sell your soul to the corporate masters who finance your campaign.

    Mandatory voluntary service...slavery...wage work...it's all the same. It all depends upon which illusion you accept as your worldview.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    Silly libertarians and socialists.

    You are all enslaved no matter which ideology you support. You either exist within the wage slavery established by corporate masters or you belong to the bureaucratic masters who run the federal government "at the point of a gun". And frankly, within this country, there really isn't much difference between the two. If you are libertarian you just get to pretend that one day the corporate masters will let you get rich enough to be one of them and if you are socialist you just get to pretend you could become a bureaucratic master yourself without having to sell your soul to the corporate masters who finance your campaign.

    Mandatory voluntary service...slavery...wage work...it's all the same. It all depends upon which illusion you accept as your worldview.
    Well said.
    everyone uses every function about evenly. take NE for example. if there are those who don't use it much, then why are there such massive amounts of people constantly flowing through Wallmart with 20 items or less?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatsWhatHeSaid View Post
    I thought about it a little more.

    There's a problem here, and you could even relate it to type if you want. We (Risen, pure_mercury, and myself) are debating about different thing. I want to analyze this question by looking at whether the policy is good or bad for people -- whether it is wise or not wise. You guys, on the other hand are more interested in how the policy fits in with rules our government has previously set forth, as issue that I could care less about.

    Second, I'm tired of conflict, even though I got sucked into it at first. I would much rather have a civil exchange than a debate filled with ad hominems and dishonesty, and to be honest, I don't think we're capable of that.

    The bad policy is awful for people and completely unwise. It would be one of the worst things that the U.S. government has ever done (and that is saying something). End of story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YourLocalJesus View Post
    I think it's a good initiative... Instead of running around in suburbs and ghettos, kids will be able to get away from bad environments. On top of that, americans need to learn how to work as a team, instead of relying on the extreme libertarianistic capitalism as an ideal. Re-educating the people is an important thing to do.
    You might think you are very successful, but to be honest, the american system is a danger to the rest of the world because of its huge inherent flaws. The recent economic collapse is America's fault, and we all get to suffer for it. You need to be re-educated in terms of how the hell you view the world. And some common sense. Some people are always adverse to change of any kind, and when things need to be done fast, of course the less adaptable citizens will be whining.

    I am not entirely sure if Mr. Obama's intentions are one hundred percent benevolent, but doing something is definitely better than doing nothing. Right now you need change more than anything. What you don't need is an outdated moral system and a whackjob constitution.
    This is (in part) why having sovereign nations not beholden to other countries is a good thing, and why globalism will be a bad thing.

    I also find it interesting how people in THIS country are so quick to blame the rich and hate the rich, and don't consider that compared to the rest of the world, this country is "the rich". Thus, on the larger scale, we have blame America and hate America (the rich).

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    Quote Originally Posted by YourLocalJesus View Post
    I think it's a good initiative... Instead of running around in suburbs and ghettos, kids will be able to get away from bad environments. On top of that, americans need to learn how to work as a team, instead of relying on the extreme libertarianistic capitalism as an ideal. Re-educating the people is an important thing to do.
    You might think you are very successful, but to be honest, the american system is a danger to the rest of the world because of its huge inherent flaws. The recent economic collapse is America's fault, and we all get to suffer for it. You need to be re-educated in terms of how the hell you view the world. And some common sense. Some people are always adverse to change of any kind, and when things need to be done fast, of course the less adaptable citizens will be whining.

    I am not entirely sure if Mr. Obama's intentions are one hundred percent benevolent, but doing something is definitely better than doing nothing. Right now you need change more than anything. What you don't need is an outdated moral system and a whackjob constitution.


    Your argument falls apart as soon as you say "re-education." What you are proposing would be poison for America, as it has been for other countries in the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatsWhatHeSaid View Post
    I thought about it a little more.

    There's a problem here, and you could even relate it to type if you want. We (Risen, pure_mercury, and myself) are debating about different thing. I want to analyze this question by looking at whether the policy is good or bad for people -- whether it is wise or not wise. You guys, on the other hand are more interested in how the policy fits in with rules our government has previously set forth, as issue that I could care less about.

    YES! exactly! it should be obvious the rights laid out by the constitution are good things, EVEN if they are bad for the whole of people in blips of perception. Yes, the country might be safer in the blip of perception if the government could just execute any red handed law breaker, but that would fucking suck for the individuals to give up due process. I dont want to live in a police state, even if it means its "bad for the people" to have freedoms. You are probably going to retort that giving up due process is a totally different matter. Thats the point though, today its economic freedom, tommorow its haebus corpus. the constitution as a whole, needs to be protected. If you are seriously suggesting that giving up rights is in your words "good [or bad] for people" then I really don't know how we can continue this debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YourLocalJesus View Post
    I think it's a good initiative... Instead of running around in suburbs and ghettos, kids will be able to get away from bad environments. On top of that, americans need to learn how to work as a team, instead of relying on the extreme libertarianistic capitalism as an ideal. Re-educating the people is an important thing to do.
    You might think you are very successful, but to be honest, the american system is a danger to the rest of the world because of its huge inherent flaws. The recent economic collapse is America's fault, and we all get to suffer for it. You need to be re-educated in terms of how the hell you view the world. And some common sense. Some people are always adverse to change of any kind, and when things need to be done fast, of course the less adaptable citizens will be whining.

    I am not entirely sure if Mr. Obama's intentions are one hundred percent benevolent, but doing something is definitely better than doing nothing. Right now you need change more than anything. What you don't need is an outdated moral system and a whackjob constitution.

    CAPITILASIM DID NOT FAIL


    what failed was BAWNEY FWANK and his socialist initiatives that forced fannie and freddie to loan out to a quota of people who couldnt fucking afford it, because people had this retarded idea that owning your own home was a right, even if you couldn't afford it. THATS POLITICS messing with ECONOMICS. Capitalism DID NOT FAIL. The decision was made POLITICALLY. Its a prime example, of why socialism is retarded.


    CAPITILASIM DID NOT FAIL


    what failed was the Federal Reserves Ponzi scheme of a monetary system. Why cant we overthrow the FED? POLITICS.


    CAPITILASIM DID NOT FAIL


    what failed was the FED lowered interest rates in 2001 way below where they should have been, when we should of had a bigger recession. That then created easy credit which lead to the housing bubble that started this mess.

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    Have to agree: The Fed sucks. Who decided to get a bunch of lame-brained private individuals with no accountability to have nearly complete influence over our fiscal and monetary system??? :-/ Congress's influence is miniscule compared with the Fed. And no one votes THEM in...yeah sure, the president can approve the Chairman - big freaking deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    Have to agree: The Fed sucks. Who decided to get a bunch of lame-brained private individuals with no accountability to have nearly complete influence over our fiscal and monetary system??? :-/ Congress's influence is miniscule compared with the Fed. And no one votes THEM in...yeah sure, the president can approve the Chairman - big freaking deal.


    The free market should set interest rates. A team of Smith, Ricardo, Friedman, Keynes, Greenspan, and Jesus Christ wouldn't get it right 100% of the time. I think that our banks should probably be required to hold more in reserve than currently, too.
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