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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    I don't know about that. Forced labor at the point of a gun is not exactly far off from fascism/National Socialism.
    You're right. Now explain what that has to do with this legislation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    I don't know about that. Forced labor at the point of a gun is not exactly far off from fascism/National Socialism.
    What folks don't understand is that force by gun is aimed at the parents. Quickly evolving to (gun aimed at parents) by youth takin from parents due to gun aimed at parents.

    In europe (the gun aimed at parents) potential was assumed by competent writers of their law in the first place. As it stands now (over here), the (future predicting) using history to guide, is non existant. lalaland.
    everyone uses every function about evenly. take NE for example. if there are those who don't use it much, then why are there such massive amounts of people constantly flowing through Wallmart with 20 items or less?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    You're right. Now explain what that has to do with this legislation.
    "The U.S. House of Representatives has approved a plan to set up a new 'volunteer corps"' and consider whether 'a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people' should be developed."
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    Who's gonna pay for it while those kids are not at a regular job and paying taxes. Perhaps those same kids via their national debt.
    everyone uses every function about evenly. take NE for example. if there are those who don't use it much, then why are there such massive amounts of people constantly flowing through Wallmart with 20 items or less?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    "The U.S. House of Representatives has approved a plan to set up a new 'volunteer corps"' and consider whether 'a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people' should be developed."
    Okay...

    First of all, nobody has even decided on this mandatory thing yet. We don't know if anyone will do it. Two, hardly anything has been decided about it We don't know exactly what you're going to be asked to do, or how much of it. Even the max thing suggested there, 100 hours of community service in a year, isn't much (and it might even be easy service). Last point is, where did the gun point thing come from? That seems like a really melodramatic, rhetorical metaphor there. School is mandatory, now is everyone afraid of being taken away and shot by the truant officer? No.

    Now, getting back to what we know, we only actually have a volunteer plan being set in motion. I imagine that they are going to stick with that, and give some major incentives for going with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Okay...

    First of all, nobody has even decided on this mandatory thing yet. We don't know if anyone will do it. Two, hardly anything has been decided about it We don't know exactly what you're going to be asked to do, or how much of it. Even the max thing suggested there, 100 hours of community service in a year, isn't much (and it might even be easy service). Last point is, where did the gun point thing come from? That seems like a really melodramatic, rhetorical metaphor there. School is mandatory, now is everyone afraid of being taken away and shot by the truant officer? No.

    Now, getting back to what we know, we only actually have a volunteer plan being set in motion. I imagine that they are going to stick with that, and give some major incentives for going with it.
    So when that kid doesn't fulfill her/his "community obligation" they end up as a statistic found in the Probation/encarceration/payrole column.
    everyone uses every function about evenly. take NE for example. if there are those who don't use it much, then why are there such massive amounts of people constantly flowing through Wallmart with 20 items or less?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Last point is, where did the gun point thing come from? That seems like a really melodramatic, rhetorical metaphor there. School is mandatory, now is everyone afraid of being taken away and shot by the truant officer? No.
    No... but truancy laws and the like are enforced, ultimately, by men with guns. Ask anyone who has had a social worker accompanied by a state trooper show up at their door, asking to come in and interview the children.

    Any time you see the word "Mandatory" in the context of government action, force is implied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Okay...

    First of all, nobody has even decided on this mandatory thing yet. We don't know if anyone will do it. Two, hardly anything has been decided about it We don't know exactly what you're going to be asked to do, or how much of it. Even the max thing suggested there, 100 hours of community service in a year, isn't much (and it might even be easy service). Last point is, where did the gun point thing come from? That seems like a really melodramatic, rhetorical metaphor there. School is mandatory, now is everyone afraid of being taken away and shot by the truant officer? No.

    Now, getting back to what we know, we only actually have a volunteer plan being set in motion. I imagine that they are going to stick with that, and give some major incentives for going with it.

    you dont value your freedom much do you?

    the fact that nothing is specifically spelled out is exactly whats wrong with this bill. If they decide to make it mandatory, and i refuse, then what? Rohm Emanuel wrote a book recently about how he think citizenship is not an entitlement and he SPELLED out how he wants mandatory service... if this bill passes without a fight, its just one step closer to what Obama, Emanuel, etc all have ALREADY said they want.


    at least the constitution is on our side:

    On the other hand, you could make a plausible case that the Constitution forbids Congress to send conscripts off to fight an undeclared war, or to conduct a peacetime draft. The theory here is that while Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution empowers Congress to "provide for the common defense" and "raise and support armies," the framers simply meant to establish a professional army, composed of volunteers. This is not as off the wall as it sounds. You will recall that early Americans found the British Navy's practice of forcibly inducting men into service pretty obnoxious, and it is unlikely they would turn around and authorize a draft.

    The Constitution does permit the separate states (or "the several states," as we legal scholars like to put it) to organize militias for home defense (note the Second Amendment), and in the broadest sense the militia in colonial times consisted of every male 18 and over who was healthy enough to carry a gun. So (in this view, anyway), while the federal government can't draft people, the states can.

    What enables the federal government to conduct the draft is clause 15 of Article I, Section 8, which permits Congress to call out the militia to "execute the laws of the Union, suppress insurrections and repel invasion." This means that Congress can send draftees off to foreign countries after a declaration of war, which has the force of law. But it doesn't include undeclared conflicts like Vietnam. And presumably it wouldn't include a peacetime draft.
    but then again, they ignored the consitution during Vietnam...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Okay...

    First of all, nobody has even decided on this mandatory thing yet. We don't know if anyone will do it. Two, hardly anything has been decided about it We don't know exactly what you're going to be asked to do, or how much of it. Even the max thing suggested there, 100 hours of community service in a year, isn't much (and it might even be easy service). Last point is, where did the gun point thing come from? That seems like a really melodramatic, rhetorical metaphor there. School is mandatory, now is everyone afraid of being taken away and shot by the truant officer? No.
    First of all, the fact that someone even SUGGESTED mandatory service seriously is fucking frightening. Secondly, one hour of forced community service for those who have not been convicted of a crime is one hour too many. I thought you were all about civil rights? Lastly, what happens if you say, "Neither I nor my child will participate in this service?" Your school metaphor is faulty, because children can be homeschooled, but I absolutely disagree with compulsory school attendance. If you continue to defy the government, eventually the police will show up to take you away. Try not paying your taxes because you disagree with American foreign policy and see how that works out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    How cruelly ironic would it be if the first black U.S. president decided to enslave tens of millions of other Americans?
    Not ironic - just a motif in history
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