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    Gotta catch you all! Blackmail!'s Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Your understanding of libertarianism is severely lacking. You miss all of the nuance and the centuries of historical precedence involved.
    Do you seriously want that I give you a lecture about neoclassical economics and the genesis of the libertarian philosophy?

    Do you really think I haven't studied in depth the legendary opposition between Nozick and Rawls, for instance?

    I'd rather say that both you and Babylon lack a broader view, a broader spectrum, for instance what are ideologies?

    Tiebreaker: Do you know what the Frankurt school is? And the curious relationship they had with the likes of Rothbard? (know your adversary!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bananatrombones View Post
    The assumption that all authority is bad is a cornerstone of that particular religion/cult. The conspiracy theorists, et al, would have us believe this.

    It's not. Only some of it is bad.

    Like authority, governments are bad, good and all the shades in between.

    Inability to distinguish is an interesting trait.

    (I note your treatment of dogma is very, er, dogmatic.)
    The assumption that all authority is good is a cornerstone of a particular religion/cult. The conspiracy theorists,et al, would have us believe this.

    It's not. Only sum of it is good.

    Like authority, governments are good, bad and all the shades in between.

    Inability to distinguish is an interesting trait.

    (I note that treatment with emoticons is very, er, emoticonic.)
    everyone uses every function about evenly. take NE for example. if there are those who don't use it much, then why are there such massive amounts of people constantly flowing through Wallmart with 20 items or less?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    Do you seriously want that I give you a lecture about neoclassical economics and the genesis of the libertarian philosophy?

    Do you really think I haven't studied in depth the legendary opposition between Nozick and Rawls, for instance?

    I'd rather say that noth you and Babylon lack a broader view, a broader spectrum, for instance what are ideologies?

    Tiebreaker: Do you know what the Frankurt school is? (know your adversary!)
    Your understanding of libertarianism. Not philosophy or economics.
    Ideologies are old philosophys. Like socialism.
    everyone uses every function about evenly. take NE for example. if there are those who don't use it much, then why are there such massive amounts of people constantly flowing through Wallmart with 20 items or less?

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    blckmail? Are you...afraid of zee Germans............hhmmm?
    everyone uses every function about evenly. take NE for example. if there are those who don't use it much, then why are there such massive amounts of people constantly flowing through Wallmart with 20 items or less?

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    Oh, come on.

    It's not too much to ask that our laws conform to the Constitution. It's the fundamental law of the land. Does it mean something or not?

    To my mind, the point of Constitutionality is one of government credibility. Why should we follow any law the government imposes on us if that self-same government won't abide by the law that governs it?

    The words are supposed to mean something. It's not too much to ask.
    This. And, to Magic, you know, I think overall it's worked out quite well for the US. They're the lone superpower, and there's got to be some reason much of the world would love to live there.

    And yes, yes, I know not everyone wants to move to the US, and that their superpower status is shaky, but my points stand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangirl View Post
    This. And, to Magic, you know, I think overall it's worked out quite well for the US. They're the lone superpower, and there's got to be some reason much of the world would love to live there.
    My point was that the United States politicians have been violating the constitution pretty much from the point of its inception (like Kiddo pointed out about Jefferson). If if what we've done so far "worked out quite well", then I'm afraid that opens up the possibility that disregarding the constitution is what has worked out quite well. IT doesn't make it absolutely so, but it makes it highly possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kangirl View Post
    And yes, yes, I know not everyone wants to move to the US, and that their superpower status is shaky, but my points stand.
    A lot factors are involved. Some of them reasonable, some of them not. We do have one of the highest GDP PCs in the world, and the highest average population to GDP PC, too. Also, a lot of these people are coming from 2nd or 3rd world countries that almost surely are worse than the USA. But there's a lot these people don't know, and the honest truth is that the USA has one of the largest if not the largest international propaganda campaign in history (obviously, the USSR gave us a run for our money). That has a big impact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    Do you seriously want that I give you a lecture about neoclassical economics and the genesis of the libertarian philosophy?

    Do you really think I haven't studied in depth the legendary opposition between Nozick and Rawls, for instance?

    I'd rather say that both you and Babylon lack a broader view, a broader spectrum, for instance what are ideologies?

    Tiebreaker: Do you know what the Frankurt school is? And the curious relationship they had with the likes of Rothbard? (know your adversary!)
    He pretty much always gives the "you are oh-so naive. *raises hand*" resonse to his opponents in these debates. Trust me, I have experience with him.

    Quote Originally Posted by professor goodstain View Post
    The assumption that all authority is good is a cornerstone of a particular religion/cult. The conspiracy theorists,et al, would have us believe this.

    It's not. Only sum of it is good.

    Like authority, governments are good, bad and all the shades in between.

    Inability to distinguish is an interesting trait.

    (I note that treatment with emoticons is very, er, emoticonic.)
    This response of yours to bananatrombones seems pretty much irrelevant to any of the commentary made in this thread. If you can find a die-hard authoritarian somewhere, you just might find a point to this post along with him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post



    But there's a lot these people don't know, and the honest truth is that the USA has one of the largest if not the largest international propaganda campaign in history (obviously, the USSR gave us a run for our money). That has a big impact.

    ^Propaganda campaign^?
    everyone uses every function about evenly. take NE for example. if there are those who don't use it much, then why are there such massive amounts of people constantly flowing through Wallmart with 20 items or less?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    He pretty much always gives the "you are oh-so naive. *raises hand*" resonse to his opponents in these debates. Trust me, I have experience with him.



    This response of yours to bananatrombones seems pretty much irrelevant to any of the commentary made in this thread. If you can find a die-hard authoritarian somewhere, you just might find a point to this post along with him.
    I must have found said "authoritarian"^
    everyone uses every function about evenly. take NE for example. if there are those who don't use it much, then why are there such massive amounts of people constantly flowing through Wallmart with 20 items or less?

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    Quit the childish bickering and just admit it: You're all going DOWN! And, no I don't mean that in the way some may interpret that. I mean the USA will decline, never to rise again to its previous state in the long term. The sooner you all come to terms with that fact, the happier we will all be.

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