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    Who could have imagined AIG?

    In the last few days we have seen, read, and heard various members of the business media explaining how they personally and their particular operation are not responsible for the “sneak” attack by AIG upon or way of life. They use such excuses as not having subpoena power with which to ferret out secret information.

    For decades the business media has been acting as cheerleaders for Corporate America instead of being the watchdogs that bark thus alerting the residents whenever something suspicious approaches our house.

    It should have been evident to any Critical Thinking individual who is responsible enough to keep up with current events that the leaders of Corporate America had acquired great power with little accountability. The great power is discernable when we recognize that there were obviously few if any checks upon their behavior when we see that they were able to constantly increase their income to levels that are obscene by any reasonable measure.

    “The critical habit of thought, if usual in a society, will pervade its entire mores, because it is a way of taking up the problems of life.”—William Graham Sumner, distinguished anthropologist

    The corporate CEOs were free to take what they will in monetary reward. They thereby made it plain to even the casual observer that they could do pretty much whatever suited their personal interests. If we place a normal individual into a position of great power uninhibited by oversight is it any wonder that these individuals will continue to push the envelope of self-interest?

    CA (Corporate America) has developed a well-honed expertise in motivating the population to behave in a desired manner. Citizens as consumers are ample manifestation of that expertise. CA has accomplished this ability by careful study and implementation of the knowledge of the ways of human behavior. I suspect this same structure applies to most Western democracies.

    A democratic form of government is one wherein the citizens have some voice in some policy decisions. The greater the voice of the citizens the better the democracy.

    In America we have policy makers, decision makers, and citizens. The decision makers are our elected representatives and are, thus, under some control by the voting citizen. The policy makers are the leaders of CA; less than ten thousand individuals, according to those who study such matters. Policy makers exercise significant control of decision makers by controlling the financing of elections.

    Policy makers customize and maintain the dominant ideology in order to control the political behavior of the citizens. This dominant ideology exercises the political control of the citizens in the same fashion as the consuming citizen is controlled by the same dominant ideology.

    An enlightened citizen is the only means to gain more voice in more policy decisions. An enlightened citizen is much more than an informed citizen. Critical thinking is the only practical means to develop a more enlightened citizen. If, however, we wait until our CT trained grade-schoolers become adults I suspect all will be lost. This is why I think a massive effort must be made to convince today’s adults that they must train themselves in CT.


    “Thomas R. Dye, Professor of Political Science at Florida State University, has published a series of books examining who and what institutions actually control and run America. to understand who is making the decisions that affect our lives, we also have to understand how societies structure themselves in general. Why the few always tend to share more power than the many and what this means in terms of both a society's evolution and our daily lives. they examined the other 11 institutions that exert just as powerful a shaping influence, although somewhat more subtle: The Industrial, Corporations, Utilities and Communications, Banking, Insurance Investment, Mass Media, Law, Education Foundation, Civic and Cultural Organizations, Government, and the Military.”
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    He could have. Him too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coberst View Post
    Critical Thinking individual
    You have the words capitalized so it's some sort of classification, but isn't defined. So what is this, exactly?

    Your post mentions that these people become "enlightened citizens", but does not define why or how enlightened citizens would make this beneficial impact.

    So I'm unsure what the drive is here aside from perhaps some idealistic notion of deeper thinking driving people to become politically active.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feops View Post
    You have the words capitalized so it's some sort of classification, but isn't defined. So what is this, exactly?

    Your post mentions that these people become "enlightened citizens", but does not define why or how enlightened citizens would make this beneficial impact.

    So I'm unsure what the drive is here aside from perhaps some idealistic notion of deeper thinking driving people to become politically active.
    CT is an acronym for Critical Thinking. Everybody considers themselves to be a critical thinker. That is why we need to differentiate among different levels of critical thinking.

    Most people fall in the category that I call Reagan thinkers—trust but verify. Then there are those who have taken the basic college course taught by the philosophy dept that I call Logic 101. This is a credit course that teaches the basic principles of reasoning. Of course, a person need not take the college course and can learn the matter on their own effort, but I suspect few do that.

    The third level I call CT (Critical Thinking). CT includes the knowledge of Logic 101 and also the knowledge that focuses upon the intellectual character and attitude of critical thinking. It includes knowledge regarding the ego and social centric forces that impede rational thinking.

    Most decisions we have to make are judgment calls. A judgment call is made when we must make a decision when there is no “true” or “false” answers. When we make a judgment call our decision is bad, good, or better.

    Many factors are involved: there are the available facts, assumptions, skills, knowledge, and especially personal experience and attitude. I think that the two most important elements in the mix are personal experience and attitude.

    When we study math we learn how to use various algorithms to facilitate our skill in dealing with quantities. If we never studied math we could deal with quantity on a primary level but our quantifying ability would be minimal. Likewise with making judgments; if we study the art and science of good judgment we can make better decisions and if we never study the art and science of judgment our decision ability will remain minimal.

    I am convinced that a fundamental problem we have in this country (USA) is that our citizens have never learned the art and science of good judgment. Before the recent introduction of CT into our schools and colleges our young people have been taught primarily what to think and not how to think. All of us graduated with insufficient comprehension of the knowledge, skills, and attitude necessary for the formulation of good judgment. The result of this inability to make good judgment is evident and is dangerous.

    I am primarily interested in the judgment that adults exercise in regard to public issues. Of course, any improvement in judgment generally will affect both personal and community matters.

    To put the matter into a nut shell:
    1. Normal men and women can significantly improve their ability to make judgments.
    2. CT is the domain of knowledge that delineates the knowledge, skills, and intellectual character demanded for good judgment.
    3. CT has been introduced into our schools and colleges slowly in the last two or three decades.
    4. Few of today’s adults were ever taught CT.
    5. I suspect that at least another two generations will pass before our society reaps significant rewards resulting from teaching CT to our children.
    6. Can our democracy survive that long?
    7. I think that every effort must be made to convince today’s adults that they need to study and learn CT on their own. I am not suggesting that adults find a teacher but I am suggesting that adults become self-actualizing learners.
    8. I am convinced that learning the art and science of Critical Thinking is an important step toward becoming a better citizen in today’s democratic society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coberst View Post
    7. I think that every effort must be made to convince today’s adults that they need to study and learn CT on their own. I am not suggesting that adults find a teacher but I am suggesting that adults become self-actualizing learners.
    8. I am convinced that learning the art and science of Critical Thinking is an important step toward becoming a better citizen in today’s democratic society.
    Lol, good luck with that .

    As far as your rationale and logic goes regarding "Corporate America", I suggest you do some more "critical thinking" about the function of capitalism, why/how people are able to amass large amounts of wealth, and how that centralization of wealth and power would/should be dissolved in the capitalist system. I'll give you a hint about the latter: it has much to do with the said subject of this thread, AIG, and bailouts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coberst View Post
    bla bla bla
    Hey man, who cares?
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    AIG+collapse=accountability
    Unaccountable corperate (world)+unaccountable congress+unaccountable influencial world govts+unaccountable media=all on the same page to maintain unaccountability.
    Unaccountable CT+unaccountable medias influence on CT+said CTs vote=california.
    Unaccountable=arnold shwartzenager
    everyone uses every function about evenly. take NE for example. if there are those who don't use it much, then why are there such massive amounts of people constantly flowing through Wallmart with 20 items or less?

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    Quote Originally Posted by professor goodstain View Post
    AIG+collapse=accountability
    Unaccountable corperate (world)+unaccountable congress+unaccountable influencial world govts+unaccountable media=all on the same page to maintain unaccountability.
    Unaccountable CT+unaccountable medias influence on CT+said CTs vote=california.
    Unaccountable=arnold shwartzenager
    Lmao, nice . But I think you forgot

    incompetent + narcissistic = Arnold Schwarzenegger

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    Lmao, nice . But I think you forgot

    incompetent + narcissistic = Arnold Schwarzenegger
    narcissistic/arnold s=unaccountable
    everyone uses every function about evenly. take NE for example. if there are those who don't use it much, then why are there such massive amounts of people constantly flowing through Wallmart with 20 items or less?

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    Capitalism cannot work if the corporate leaders are willing to sacrifice the life of their company for personal gain.

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