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    I can imagine that most people will simply hate these people just because they dare to bring to the case to court to begin with, regardless of whether or not there ends up being any validity to their claims or not.

    People's knee jerk reaction will be that cases like this will hurt organ donation and therefore should not be allowed. Should certain topics be beyond questioning? Is this valid reasoning? I am curious to hear people's responses.


    Did Hospital Kill Teen For His Organs? - CBS News

    On The Early Show Monday, co-anchor Maggie Rodriguez remarked to Michael and Teresa that many people would find it "preposterous" that a hospital would intentionally kill a young man for his organs.

    "Well, it's not," Michael said.

    Asked why he believes it, Michael resplied, "Because they did. I know they did, by the evidence of that my wife has told me."

    Teresa says, "The records indicated that they started harvesting procedures including the incision when he was alive. And he was not even pronounced dead until 29 minutes later. That's pretty shocking."

    The Jabobs' attorney, Dennis Boyle added, "Our experts are telling us that, had his organs not been taken, he may very well have survived and recovered from this accident."

    When Rodriguez noted that, "The hospital will tell you that they did everything on the up-and-up. ... They say Greg met the criteria for death technically."

    "That simply is not the case," Boyle responded. "Even the hospital's own records show that he had brain stem function minutes before he was taken to the operating room to have his organs removed. He never met the criteria for brain dead. And, in fact, he never was dead or brain dead. You know, it is shocking, but I saw the hospital statements, and the only thing we can say is we're looking forward to going into court and presenting this evidence."

    "To be fair," Rodriguez said, "I should say that the district attorney's investigation concluded that nothing criminal was done. The Center of Organ Recovery insists that they followed all the protocols. There seems to be, from all the investigations, no criminal liability. So why are you so strongly pursuing this?"

    "Because," Teresa answered, "I believe that's false."

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    I always thought i'd be picked for parts by EMT's if I put organ donor on my license..
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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    I can imagine that most people will simply hate these people just because they dare to bring to the case to court to begin with, regardless of whether or not there ends up being any validity to their claims or not.

    People's knee jerk reaction will be that cases like this will hurt organ donation and therefore should not be allowed. Should certain topics be beyond questioning? Is this valid reasoning? I am curious to hear people's responses.
    Everyone has a right to the legal system. It may hurt organ donation, but so what? Nothing is beyond questioning. What if it ends up that the hospital did indeed kill their son? If it had never gone to court, that would have never been found out, the culprits wouldn't have been punished.
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    A related article:

    New Trend in Organ Donation Raises Questions

    The number of kidneys, livers and other body parts surgeons are harvesting through a controversial approach to organ donation has started to rise rapidly, a trend that is saving the lives of more waiting patients but, some say, risks sacrificing the interests of the donors.

    Under the procedure, surgeons are removing organs within minutes after the heart stops beating and doctors declare a patient dead. Since the 1970s, most organs have been removed only after doctors declared a patient brain dead.

    Federal health officials, transplant surgeons and organ banks are promoting the alternative as a way to meet the increasing demand for organs and to give more dying patients and their families the solace of helping others.

    Some doctors and bioethicists, however, say the practice raises the disturbing specter of transplant surgeons preying on dying patients for their organs, possibly pressuring doctors and families to discontinue treatment, adversely affecting donors' care in their final days and even hastening their deaths.

    Nevertheless, the number of these donations is on the rise. It more than doubled from 268 in 2003 to at least 605 in 2006, enabling surgeons to transplant more than 1,200 additional kidneys, livers, lungs, hearts and other organs....
    "A lot of us are not particularly happy about cutting that line particularly close," said Gail A. Van Norman, an anesthesiologist and bioethicist at the University of Washington in Seattle.

    Van Norman and others also worry that the practice could pressure family members and doctors to discontinue care, perhaps before it is undeniable that there is no hope. Those fears are particularly acute in pediatric intensive-care units, where the same nurses and doctors frequently care for both potential donors and potential recipients.

    While many hospitals are adopting DCD policies, others have delayed because of objections. Some are opting out. One hospital chain went ahead but then instituted a moratorium because of concerns that the local organ bank was becoming too aggressive.

    In addition to giving DCD donors morphine, valium and other drugs to make sure they do not suffer as life support is withdrawn, doctors often insert a large tube into an artery and inject drugs such as the blood thinner heparin to help preserve the organs. Some say those measures may hasten death.

    "It's worrisome when you stop thinking of the person who is dying as a patient but rather as a set of organs, and start thinking more about what's best for the patient in the next room waiting for the organs," Van Norman said.

    In California, police and state medical authorities are investigating whether doctors did anything to speed the death of a donor in San Luis Obispo last year.

    David Crippen, a University of Pittsburgh critical-care specialist, asked, "Now that we've established that we're going to take organs from patients who have a prognosis of death but who do not meet the strict definition of death, might we become more interested in taking organs from patients who are not dead at all but who are incapacitated or disabled?"





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    My approach to this issue is to be so hard on my body that nobody will want my internal organs.

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    Figures this happened in CA. They probably sped up his death so they could give his organs to an illegal alien.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    Figures this happened in CA. They probably sped up his death so they could give his organs to an illegal alien.
    The incident in the OP newstory happened in Pennsylvannia:

    Eighteen-year-old Gregory Jacobs, of Bellevue, Ohio, suffered a "closed head injury" two years ago while snowboarding on a high school-sponsored ski trip in Findley Lake, N.Y.

    He was airlifted to Hamot Medical Center in northwestern Pennsylvania, where he died.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    The incident in the OP newstory happened in Pennsylvannia:
    Oops, I was looking at the other thing
    In California, police and state medical authorities are investigating whether doctors did anything to speed the death of a donor in San Luis Obispo last year.
    :/ .

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    ^ There are two seperate cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    I always thought i'd be picked for parts by EMT's if I put organ donor on my license..
    Me, too. It might be an irrational fear, I don't know. But I never wanted to take the chance.
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