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    I wanted to create a thread that discusses the ideas of The Venus Program. Namely, a resource-based economy. Anyone who has seen the Zeitgeist films should know what I'm talking about.

    In short, a resource-based economy is a social system that has all of human labor replaced by machines and computers. They would all be powered by renewable, non-polluting sources. Because of the lack of work and abundance of supply, people would not able to purchase the things they need, but instead, they would be able to receive whatever they want, when they want.

    What do you think?
    Is a resource based economy possible?
    Is it truly inevitable or will society be lead into another direction?

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    If you really want to learn more about a Resource based Economy watch this:
    The Zeitgeist Movement: Orientation Presentation
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    [YOUTUBE="qmSdigUtzpE"]Resource Based Economy[/YOUTUBE]
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    I agree with this, but how to make this possible?
    The fear of poverty turns people into slaves of money.

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    As technology improves, more and more people become unemployed until there is too little purchasing power to support businesses. This causes a stagnation of monetary exchange and forces us to share the productions of our technology.

    They argue that we already have the technology necessary for this to happen, but it is being withheld. I think as competition takes its toll more and more technology will have to be released. We just have to stop monopolies or dictatorships from completely stopping technological improvements.
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    Well, I think the economy is powered by energy and certain inputs and outputs.
    If energy becomes such an abundance that it is able to produce anything, to anyone , to anywhere, than ,money would not be necessary.

    Money is still a dominant player in today's economy. I don't even know why money exist.
    Perhaps people need economic incentive to be productive?

    and what kind of technology can replace human power in the economy?
    The fear of poverty turns people into slaves of money.

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    exactly!

    That is exactly why we have money. It is a system of exchange where we sell our services for money with which we use to pay others for their services. An economy that has near infinite production capabilities that requires no human work has no need for exchange.

    Obviously any physical labor is easily replaced by machines. Other technical skills, like a doctor for example, can be replaced by a machine that scans your body and uses computer analysis to figure out what is wrong. If you think about it, anything that doesn't require subjective decision can be done by a computer.

    Even subjectivity can be defined objectively if given specific criteria.

    For example if we wanted a computer that could tell us which type of food tasted best to us, all we would have to do is make an analysis of the element compositions of the food we like and then have the computer tell us when foods have compositions that are similar.
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    It sounds like a nice idea, but...

    ...are we ready for such a power? Money is what keeps people at bay. With money, we build hierarchies and tell people what they can and can't do. Money is the ultimate crowd controlling device.

    If money would be removed, how would we control the masses anymore? And if we can't control them anymore, would people be ready to take care of themselves? Most people have grown into the world of capitalism, in which possessing items and power is to be pursuit. Presenting a system to these people without a control of ownership or limits on personal freedom other than one's moral, would be devastating. It would require a long period of translation.

    However, I like the idea of renewable energy and lack of money. Finally we could stop wasting our time on maximizing productivity and begin maximizing ourselves.

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    Than this comes to a question of what is energy, how is it used, how can we produce more of it. and what is the power that drives the human economy, and how can arrive at such a state, where everything will be free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by untypable View Post
    ...how can arrive at such a state, where everything will be free.
    Before you consider that question, you need to determine for certain that that's what you really want to do.

    I strongly suspect that in a world in which everything is free, humans will become generally contemptible. I would think that you want to retain at least a little need, so that "self-reliance" can retain some meaning.

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    I believe it's inevitable. I think somewhere in the course of human history we stepped astray and developed a monetary system (okay, maybe it wasn't a mistake, because back then we didn't have the high technology). At least we should go forward and evolutionize the system now that we could.

    Money = power over other people. With money you can hire other people to work for you (enslaving put into nice words). And that's the basis of our system. People having this power will not give it up (and that is the reason why money exists). Instead, they eat expensive gourmet food whilst poor people elsewhere are dying in hunger. How is that system worth saving? It's not. We can't even keep our own people alive! If we came to contact with intelligent alien races, I bet they'd laugh their asses (or whatever they had) off.

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